Selling Soul

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Postby Xal » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:00 pm

I'm a firm believer in the power of belief. If this person believes that the soul is something that can be bartered or traded, it can be damaging to them as a result. Whether their soul is actually "taken" or not can be left up to debate (and let's try to keep that debate nice, please, thanks), but the important thing is that this person believes it and is upset about it. That is the issue that needs help here.

I agree 100% about the power of belief. So this would suggest the easiest and best treatment would be to see if the person is willing change one's belief or try to find the truth. And to do this we must explore why someone has said belief in the first place.
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Postby Xal » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:02 pm

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want, but to pass on to others a lot of this information which is misguided and not correct is different.
Which information do you see as misguided and incorrect?
The idea that one can "sell, barter, give up" their soul. This is why I am asking the people who support this idea to explain what leads them to believe this notion is possible.
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Postby Stephanie Mae » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:21 pm

I think you should venture on over to the soul discussion guardian wolf started, you might find your answers.

http://everythingunderthemoon.net/forum ... highlight=

What leads you to believe that ones soul does not belong to oneself and therefor can not be "sold, bartered or given up"?

You might also want to do some research on the topic, to better understand why different people have different beliefs. Stating that the belief in the ability to "sell, barter, give up" your own soul, is misguided and incorrect comes across as ignorance, in my opinion.

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Postby Xal » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:54 am

I think you should venture on over to the soul discussion guardian wolf started, you might find your answers.

http://everythingunderthemoon.net/forum ... highlight=

What leads you to believe that ones soul does not belong to oneself and therefor can not be "sold, bartered or given up"?

You might also want to do some research on the topic, to better understand why different people have different beliefs. Stating that the belief in the ability to "sell, barter, give up" your own soul, is misguided and incorrect comes across as ignorance, in my opinion.
Do research to understand why different people have different beliefs? I know why people would have different beliefs. That's why I initially asked why the people who think this think it, and the only thing even liken to a response was, because my belief system dictates such.

And why does it come across as ignorant as you?
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Postby Stephanie Mae » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:10 am


And why does it come across as ignorant as you?
It comes across as ignorance to me, because your lack of knowledge on the topic caused you to make a declaration that those who believe this are misguided and incorrect.

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Postby Melindrose » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:55 pm

This rather strikes me of those who use the key of Solomon and assume that there is no price for summoning the entities mentioned there in. On the note of getting the soul back; there is one other option but it is highly dangerous and might not succeed. The option is this find where the contract is held and destroy it. Even though this was most likely a agreement made by ritual the baron should have a physical copy it just sucks getting into his home on the astral plane.

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Postby Xal » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:04 pm


And why does it come across as ignorant as you?
It comes across as ignorance to me, because your lack of knowledge on the topic caused you to make a declaration that those who believe this are misguided and incorrect.
Lack of knowledge on the subject? I don't know where your assumption that I lack knowledge of the nature of souls comes from.
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Postby Stephanie Mae » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:59 pm

Lack of knowledge on the subject? I don't know where your assumption that I lack knowledge of the nature of souls comes from.
I never stated you lack knowledge of the nature of souls in general. I said that you lacked knowledge of others belief that a soul may be; bartered, sold or given up. I am not here to banter with you, I gave you my opinion, you asked a question and I answered your question. You know, lacking knowledge is not a negative thing....not taking the necessary steps to gain knowledge or making declarations based on a lack of knowledge is negative. It this bothers you, take the steps to change it.

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Postby Ginger Faith! » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:54 pm

Hmm, sorry to butt in this lil fight thang thats goin' on. But, i personally think you cant sell your soul. Why? There are no particular reasons.
As for this lil thang thats goin' on, i think that we should shift this misunderstang into PM, or something. For it seems the argument is on how you view ones' ignorance.

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Postby Xal » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:55 pm

Lack of knowledge on the subject? I don't know where your assumption that I lack knowledge of the nature of souls comes from.
I never stated you lack knowledge of the nature of souls in general. I said that you lacked knowledge of others belief that a soul may be; bartered, sold or given up. I am not here to banter with you, I gave you my opinion, you asked a question and I answered your question. You know, lacking knowledge is not a negative thing....not taking the necessary steps to gain knowledge or making declarations based on a lack of knowledge is negative. It this bothers you, take the steps to change it.
That's why I ASKED the particular person why they believe this notion, but apparently they don't want to tell me.

Your assuming that I don't know about particular belief systems in which this idea exists, and that's why I asked. In reality I asked because I am trying to understand the individuals point of view and not assume they are merely blindly following a dogmatic point of view with no reason rather than to do it.

But apparently since I am asking you to clarify what your opinion is instead of assuming I understand exactly what you mean, you feel I am "Bantering" with you. Would you have instead preferred to have me go on a long diatribe and telling you how I think your dumb in a very stereotypical internet forum like fashion?

Your point makes no sense to me because it seems to revolve on this a notion that is not about FINDING OUT THE TRUTH, rather finding out what ones belief system is. Are you advocating blind faith?

The reason this idea bothers me so much is because the internet is abuzz with bad information. Mix in the extremely fluid and subtle world of the spirit which can creates a gross misunderstanding of how these things work. This can lead to many things such as, people who are new to such things to become afraid and turned off of spiritual things, or become afraid and make their lives harder for themselves out of fear.

So in my mind I am trying to stop the spread of disinformation. But instead of coming out immediately and saying, "hey you can't sell your soul stupid," I asked why the belief existed in the first place, not on some dogmatic level, rather to the individual person. But since apparently they do not wish to respond then I will show my disagreement.

But instead of ASSUMING I understand or know someone's belief system or why they believe something I will ask them so I can understand where they are coming from. But apparently in your mind since I want to know first hand from people what they think that makes me ignorant.
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Postby Ginger Faith! » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:11 pm

Hmm, sorry to butt in this lil fight thang thats goin' on. But, i personally think you cant sell your soul. Why? There are no particular reasons.
As for this lil thang thats goin' on, i think that we should shift this misunderstang into PM, or something. For it seems the argument is on how you view ones' ignorance.

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Postby Stephanie Mae » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:45 pm

What makes you think you can sell your soul.

So just because someone told you something you believe it?

For me spirituality was a quest to find the truth, not follow dogma, but I understand that might not be everyone's goal.

You cannot sell or lose your soul. Your soul is the individuation of God. Saying you can lose your soul is like saying that you can go and punch God in the face. When you understand what a soul is you realize how ridiculous the notion is. Your soul isn't even housed by your body, your soul houses your body.

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want, but to pass on to others a lot of this information which is misguided and not correct is different.
The above statements made by you, appeared to me as ignorance. I am not sure if you understand the meaning of ignorance, but I will assume you do. It does not appear to me you are really asking anything. You are making statements and particularly you are making ignorant statements. You say you have no problem with someone believing what they want to, but you think it is wrong to pass on information that is misguided or incorrect. If you do not understand the belief that one can sell their own soul, then who are you to judge whether the information in this forum is misguided or incorrect?

That is pure ignorance. If you do not agree with my opinion of your actions, they we will just have to agree to disagree and move on.

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Postby Melindrose » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:42 am

Stephanie Mae, Xal, if this hasn't gone to pm it needs to I don't get angry easily and it's starting to get my dander up; and Xal I read the posts you did come across as if you were implying that if you believe that you can sell your soul then your stupid. At least thats what I gathered from your first reply; and it shouldn't matter if it's because of their religion or something else that they believe they can sell their soul.

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Postby Xal » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:26 pm

What makes you think you can sell your soul.

So just because someone told you something you believe it?

For me spirituality was a quest to find the truth, not follow dogma, but I understand that might not be everyone's goal.

You cannot sell or lose your soul. Your soul is the individuation of God. Saying you can lose your soul is like saying that you can go and punch God in the face. When you understand what a soul is you realize how ridiculous the notion is. Your soul isn't even housed by your body, your soul houses your body.

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want, but to pass on to others a lot of this information which is misguided and not correct is different.
The above statements made by you, appeared to me as ignorance. I am not sure if you understand the meaning of ignorance, but I will assume you do. It does not appear to me you are really asking anything. You are making statements and particularly you are making ignorant statements. You say you have no problem with someone believing what they want to, but you think it is wrong to pass on information that is misguided or incorrect. If you do not understand the belief that one can sell their own soul, then who are you to judge whether the information in this forum is misguided or incorrect?

That is pure ignorance. If you do not agree with my opinion of your actions, they we will just have to agree to disagree and move on.
You must not understand what I'm saying or have already made up your mind.
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Postby NightRose » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:33 pm

We have a topic for discussing souls. If you would like a topic to debate ignorance, misunderstanding, or the best ways to hold an argument, please start a topic for that. This topic was created for the purpose of asking advice from people, not being told that what they're asking for advice on isn't possible. You guys have different beliefs. You're never going to agree, and you're never going to sway each others beliefs. So if you all sit here sniping at one another any more, I'm going to lock this thread and that will be the end of it. Official warning.

Please, everyone, you might have different opinions, but you don't have to kill each other over them. If you don't agree, make your point and move on. If you feel the need to get angry and flesh out how much you disagree with the person? That's what we have a PM system for, so the entire board doesn't have to read fights over the definitions of bantering, arguments, etc. Please keep topics on topic.


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