Limitations of magick

[Chocoramalted]

So in my studies and reading here on the board I've come to realize some of the things magick can do. Also in my studies I know what magick cannot do for example stuff like Harry Potter. So my question is how much is possible with magick? For example I have seen spell sites online where people have claimed to be able to do fireball spells and even levitation spells. Like everything I research online I like to be selective in what I find and what I choose to follow. Also how would I know what is possible with magick or not?

[YanaKhan]

Magick certainly isn't anything like Harry Potter. And while you can achieve some great things, I haven't seen anything close to fireballs or levitation.
Basically, magick is manipulation of energy. I don't know what path you are following, if any at all, but I do recommend you read through our "Wicca 101" forum, you may find some useful information there.
Here are some links to help you with the basics:
http://everythingunderthemoon.net/forum ... 22242.html
http://everythingunderthemoon.net/forum ... 27774.html

I hope this helps.

[Seraphin]

Your mind is the limit. Proper use of our mind beautifies and perfects. Misuse of mind plunders and destroys. It's a uniquely task to learn how to use our mind properly -- through decision making, goal-setting, creative thinking, intuitive management, meditation, visualization and 'magick'. Our mind grants us enormous power and potential. It will attract, affirm and manifest anything we think and desire. Yet if we don't realize we have this power, we can't harness it. We may live the life of a muggle -- non magickal person (for lack of better term), when in fact we are magickians.

As for your question about pyrokinesis and levitation, they are possible to perform but requires a lot of discipline and practice. I'm not aware of the spells that promote these however and you can't just trust most spells you find online. But again and I have witnessed some Tibetan monks did these things without doing any rituals and spells. My motto is -- mind knows no limits aside from the things it accepts. We're the only ones putting boundaries to what the mind can do. The discoveries of quantum physics were paving the way toward a greater acceptance of this fact that ancient sages already knew long, long time ago.

[Imperious]

This question relies heavily on how you define magic and, in effect, how you define reality. Unfortunately, it’s not something I’m going to discuss at length with someone who’s not initiated (or whose training I can't account for) but, luckily, Seraphin’s a lot more forthcoming than I am:

Your mind is the limit. Proper use of our mind beautifies and perfects.

This is a very good summary Seraphin.

[SnowCat]

So in my studies and reading here on the board I've come to realize some of the things magick can do. Also in my studies I know what magick cannot do for example stuff like Harry Potter. So my question is how much is possible with magick? For example I have seen spell sites online where people have claimed to be able to do fireball spells and even levitation spells. Like everything I research online I like to be selective in what I find and what I choose to follow. Also how would I know what is possible with magick or not?

While we mostly can't imitate Harry Potter, we really are limited only by imagination and a few sensible rules. I haven't been on national news for throwing fireballs at other cars during rush hour, and that's probably a good thing. I also haven't turned my supervisor into a toad. I used to levitate things, but that takes energy that could be better expended elsewhere. After 40+ years, I still learn something new most days. Stay safe and enjoy the adventure.

Snow

[TashaTeaLeaf]

I think of magic as just a another natural force, like gravity or the passage of time. So their has to be a natural mechanism for the magic to work through.

Is there a natural mechanism for fire to come shooting out of your hands? If not, then you'll be waiting a while.

I could imagine someone doing a spell for fireballs, then happening upon information on how to make molotov cocktails, then having a friend gift them a bottle of liquor.

At least, that's been my experience doing magic.

[Chalice]

Harry Potter is imitating us.



Think more of animism. The world full of spirits. We work within the natural laws of the universe.

It's just that we work in coincidences.

It's also best worked in secret and private.

[Seraphin]

Harry Potter is imitating us.

Actually, Harry Potter magic can happen in our mind... I'm talking about visualization.

Think more of animism. The world full of spirits. We work within the natural laws of the universe.

I'm an animist so I believe in that. Everything, animated or not, simple or complex, that exists is sustained by what the Yoruba tradition call, "ase". It is the invisible force, a magical-sacred force of all things and there's no reality without it.

All of the things, plants, minerals, woods I believe is sustained by this force. However, in our world, 90% of the time, it's in a very disguised and hidden fashion. Often it comes to the point that humans who are continually sustained by the ase too deny it's existence, thus diminishing or augmenting its real power! How this is possible is beyond the scope of what I'm writing here.

The doctrine of hidden sparks in Kabbalah simply states that, everything in universe contain some glimmer of a divine force -- or else it could simply not exist. As a magickal person who both follow Yoruba and Kabbalah, I made my mission on earth is to reveal that spark within each thing through my practice. In my case, I do that by containing and empowering the force of ase through certain material elements of certain substances, or in other words, magick. In other cases that's not possible, and the only way to reveal that spark or ase is by withstanding the tests this article of life may pose. Each spark or ase has its particular path to be revealed.

It's just that we work in coincidences.

Why do you mean by working in coincidence? You see I don't believe in chance. Anything that happens here have causal connection.

[HopefulChild]

I think of magic as just a another natural force, like gravity or the passage of time. So their has to be a natural mechanism for the magic to work through.

I love that statement. It is elegant and simple, but you could easily spend a lifetime unwrapping the individual components that make it true. Which is pretty much how nature appears. Self evident from the outside, but terribly intricate if you so choose to look inside for the individual "mechanisms" that drive the whole.

[HopefulChild]

It's just that we work in coincidences.

Another statement that is truly exciting.

I have been contemplating this for close to two decades now.

"Coincidence is real. As long as one is just as willing to acknowledge Coincide-ence."

I know that may read as frivolous, but it really isn't when you take some time to apply each term individually before you let the left side of your brain tell you they are the same thing. They really are not.

Coincide: occur at or during the same time.
correspond in nature; tally.
correspond in position; meet or intersect.

Coincidence:a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.
correspondence in nature or in time of occurrence.

Or...this proves I'm nutter butter.

[Chalice]

Hi Hopefulchild and Seraphin.

Yes, when I say coincidence, I'm not being very literal about the definition.

Like Hopechild is alluding to, coincidence is part of magick.

Also if I curse someone and something bad happens, I like to say: "Coincidence! Nothing to see here, wasn't me!"

But in all seriousness, when you put a manifestation and spell out there, let it free, it takes a life of it's own. It can work with coincidences, it can work with synchronicity etc.

[SilverWort]

I think you can't do anything against physics laws.

As for your question about pyrokinesis and levitation, they are possible to perform but requires a lot of discipline and practice. I'm not aware of the spells that promote these however and you can't just trust most spells you find online. But again and I have witnessed some Tibetan monks did these things without doing any rituals and spells. My motto is -- mind knows no limits aside from the things it accepts. We're the only ones putting boundaries to what the mind can do. The discoveries of quantum physics were paving the way toward a greater acceptance of this fact that ancient sages already knew long, long time ago.

There are some stories about levitating people, mostly from Indian meditation masters. I see one qi gong master (true master) lighting a paper with his hand, but no more than that.

I think of magic as just a another natural force, like gravity or the passage of time. So their has to be a natural mechanism for the magic to work through.

Is there a natural mechanism for fire to come shooting out of your hands? If not, then you'll be waiting a while.

To me, magic it is the "science" that allows to work with that natural energy, but not that energy.