A dream and a question

[shadowx]

The dream goes like this. I am in a map from the game Call of duty 4 (for those interested it's "launch") the map is a large missile launch pad, perhaps 200m by 200m with a few hangers around the edges and chainlink fencing.

Anyhoo... I am there and i have magick. It is also somewhat game related in that i have a bar which measures my magick remaining, however it is at the same time *not* a game. It's pretty confused.

Anyway, am there with others, from what i remember they are all male but i only know that due to the "feeling" and not from the faces, i cant remember the appearance of them. It starts off as a sort of test. There is just me and another male, he is experienced and begins throwing mock attacks at me with magick, they come in the form of balls of magickal energy. At first i throw up a shield and i can utterly feel the shield and magick flow through me, it is fantastic! but soon my energy gets drained, so i switch tactic and collect my magickal energy at my hands and begin deflecting the attacks, rather than stopping them. I can feel the crackle around my hands like static electricity, amazing feeling and so real.

Anyhoo, it is mentioned that my magickal energy is small (Ie the "pool" of energy i have is small) it recharges over time. This is something i feel is true in real life anyway.

Now, an evil, fairly giant witch appears. She is old, not pretty and damn huge and powerful. Me and some others are inside a hanger at this point and she is outside, we make a shield over the entrance to the hanger and she begins her attack. We cant hold the shield and we run out of the side of the hanger.

Dream changes and i am in a different hanger with the same guy that was testing me earlier. We know the evil witch is coming back, shes getting closer and on the wall is this sort of, gutted, skinned snake section. As thick and long as a leg. I touch it and i can feel it's dark power, so powerful i fear it. The witch is closer but not here yet so we grab the snake (well he does because i cant stand the strength of the energy) and we stake it into the ground with wooden poles. This completes a sort of circuit with the earth. the witch appears and i fight her off but my magick is depleted so i tap into the earth and pull all the energy from the dead snakey thing and it explodes in a sort of black shockwave and destroys the evil witch. I then get the high score and wake up.

It was *VERY* intense, and though i dont attribute spiritual meaning to it i just wanted to vent it out, the feeling of the magick was absolutely amazing.

However.... Lately ive read a few threads about trance using music, so firstly does anyone have any web links to any good, FREE trance music, ideally on youtube or similar? I cant deal with the new age stuff like angels and fairies and all that drab, something rhythmic, drumming etc...

And secondly, though im pretty sure i know the answer is "practise" i need to increase my "pool" of energy... any tips?

[Traumwandlerin]

First of all, I guess you know your dream was mostly abput gaming. I too have a highly gaming symbolic which is somehow easy and somehow hard to interprete.

I seldom attache any spiritual meaning like "You are so special, you need to study witchcraft more cause you surely got the calling" but rather a psyhological meaning. And this would state you are fascinate about the power magic could hold. (maybe states a lot more, due to gaming symbolic, but I don't know how this specific game relates to you, I only dream of zelda related stuff my gaming related symbols are not really nice and always states some kind of test or forcing to test myself)

For trance music I would either recommend white (or pink or brown) noise for better concentration. But as far as I've seen you, that's probably not your problem. Then probably use binaural beats, you can find thise free on the nets, just google.

For the pool of energy. I mentioned probably more than once, that you are a great scientific person but you lack the gift of believe. You would never trance deeply if you not learn to let go and stop analyse everything you see And that actually is a fact, since I learned a lot about hypnosis. Of course everyone is able to trance, but some just need really hard beating

You can ask me here or in PM about trance tips for really rational people. I hypnotised a few and also am scientific and rational.

Anyway, you will never increase your pool of energy when you will not learn to trance deeply.

[Traumwandlerin]

Since you are so happy posting in religious debate thraeds, why not post on your own ones?

[shadowx]

I only check the "New posts" link, that way i dont get into threads that are weeks or months old, i had checked this post early in the morning the other day, forgot to reply later at work and hence it no longer showed up in the new posts link.

I dont put any real significance into the dream other than i do feel the energy i have access to is limited and needs to be expanded, or rather that my ability to absorb energy needs to be improved.

I will google the term you suggested and see what i can find, i am an analytical person but a significant experience would easily get past that. Seeing a figure in my head once, for example, wont convince me of anything. Seeing it twice wont, i will just believe that i am imagining it. That figure needs to show itself clearly, present itself time after time and over time i will come to accept it.

If you are happy to post the trance tips here then please do! If not the PM would be useful methinks

[Traumwandlerin]

Which term will you google?

So you aren't good at trancing?

The problem with trancing is, you will never achieve a good one when you try to analyse it or proof it. You need first to let go and flow and afterwards think about it. And afterwards will mean after a lot of tries. The subconciouss works in other ways than your conscioussnes. It works when you don't look, it does what it likes and it hates to be analyzed. It will most certainly not do what you want it to do but what it want to do itself.

I guess with your rational type it's hard to do a selfhypnosis. Think of it like an expedition. You will learn how your subconcious reacts, but don't judge it only watch. Believe in it, that it's a thinking system of it's own. It does think, if you think or not. So when I induce a trance it rational people, I will give the subconciouss a message "I will listen to you and talk , no matter what this stupid concioussness will do. I'm talking to you". Then I will give the concioussness something to do like "Count in fourer steps downwards from 457 whil you imagine a rotating dice. Pay attention to the right amount of eyes. Still remember to count backwards. Then remember *insert poem here* and recite it in your head, while still thinking about the rotating cube and counting backwards." And then I will give messages to subc and the mind in high frequency until the mind shuts down and I can talk only to subc. This is an overload technic which wrks really well for the active mind, since it's eager to show how good it is and how it does everything right.

A proof for a deeper trance is catalepsy or amnesia. Catalepsy you can do on your own, but I wouldn't dare an amnesia.

[shadowx]

The thing with hypnosis is that i would feel vulnerable. I would need to truly know and trust the person involved. And with self hypnosis i would have that fear of "how do i bring myself back up from this? What if i cant?" which would ultimately destroy the hypnosis before it begun.

Trance on the other hand, with the musical suggestions and cues i feel is a different subject. Although they are both very similar in that they both induce a state of extreme relaxation both mental and physical i feel hypnosis is somewhat like shutting the mind down into it's most basic levels, whereas trance is merely calming the mind and allowing it to rest while not being held down as such...

I meant i would google "binaural beats" i may go and listen to a youtube track or two as it goes....

I can quite happily accept something temporarily and then analyse it later (i hope!) so with any luck i can undergo trance and analyse things afterwards rather than during.

[Traumwandlerin]

No fear with self hypnosis, you hopefully will go down deeply, but you always will come back. The worst that could happen is that you will go from deep trance to sleep and then sleep a few hours You will always come back.

With the trust issue: I'd like to say your subc has its protection and you would just wake up when you lose trust. But this is not always the case and there are some really bad hypnotists out there who are able to do the most terrible things to your mind. But those are rare especially if you go look for a professional and not just anyone.

And you described only a light trance. A deep trance is shutting down the mind There are different levels of trance. Going in deep trance is difficult to do on your own, but it's possible.

[shadowx]

But on some level the mind must still be active surely? I think what worries me most about self hypnosis is not necessarily being stuck under until i died but the fear that a candle, or even a lamp would fall over and set my room alight, or someone would break in, or even that my brother or mum would walk in and panic (my mum is a believer in spirits and mediumship and the sight of a family member unconscious cant be nice!) its the fact i would no longer be in control of my own situation, the thought that i could be breathing in toxic plastic fumes and in one or two breaths be unconscious and then dead within minutes.

I listened to a few of the tracks on youtube anyway and the first had a good effect, usually when i get a vivid visualisation, or when i remote viewed a couple of times and usually when i am projecting energy my eyeballs flicker much like REM stage sleep, though i am fully aware. That's one of my cues that what i am experiencing is not imagination but is something more. Anyhoo this first track brought on REM like movement and my breathing went between calm and relaxed to deep and faster. I was not out of breath, it was fairly strange.

The other videos had the calming effect but i do have trouble shutting off, so i think a bit of practise is in order!

[Traumwandlerin]

Binaural beats are important to be listened in stereo and on a headset, otherwise there will only be a placebo effect


And your mind will be active on some level, but it's not your wake mind, it's your subc, you ned to learn you can trust your subc, it's part of yourself and it has no interest at all to burn both of you It sees more the psychological and spiritual harm done to yourself but will also protect physical harm, mostly with waking you up Like when you really have to go to the toilet in dreams? It wakes you up so you can go.

But with a trust issue you wouldn't go under, too. Hm, I've never had that, since those kind of problems never occured to me when I hypnose someone, cause I'm still there to have a look on the candles, and I had so much positive experiences with my subc, I trust it completely.

Hm, maybe some other has an idea about this trust problem. You could integrate a sentence in your trance induction like "and should I feel uncomfortable or there occurs any kind of physical danger, I will be wake as one". And just rephrase it a few times and put in in a few times. And not go for deep trance the first time, but for light trance (the one most people reach in normal meditation, just feeling calm and happy probably) or a middle trance (when funny effects could occure like vibration, catalepsy and so on, mostly feelings in the body, try to let your arm fly). And put an audio in that will wake you up after 40 minutes.

I think with more experience comes more trust. You probably have no idea how trance feels and you just guess from what you know about TV shows and superstition

[shadowx]

I had my big headphones on which did make it pretty intense, it was almost like my ears could feel, rather than hear, the vibration/beat.

I think i just need to find something about 20-30 minutes long and lie down and relax and see where it goes.

I have never experienced trance but from what i understand your conscious mind shuts off, so to some level i am unaware of what is going on. Since i havent experienced my subconscious (And of course i cant anyway) i dont know what it is capable of.

I studied psychology for two years at college so i know it is almost certainly the most powerful part of my mind but because it is hidden i dont see it's effects.

[[ShadowPhoenix]]

There are ways of regaining depleted energy, I drain other people of energy to serve my needs. You can also use the earth or plants if they will give it.

[Traumwandlerin]

So, did studying psychology did anthing good to you? I studied it as one of my minors, sometimes it was very enlighnting, but mostly really dull. The best it gave me was how to use the library correct to find the books I'm really interested about

I find dreams were a very easy first step to get to know and communicate with my subc, but I know you aren't eager to dreams. But everyone has dreams and dreaming is the subc talking. If you won't listen to me, I would get pissed. Luckily the subc is more patient. So besides of dreams, any idea how to talk to your subc? I find trancing perfect, but you see, we are running in circles I'm good at automatic drawing and automatic story telling, but all those things will need at least a light trance. You could watch clouds though. See what symbols and figures there are in the clouds. Your subc is drawing them. Sometimes just in a SmallTalk way, sometimes random thoughts, sometimes messages. But learn to listen anyway. Your subc speaks in symbols, that's way magic is highly symbolic. What most people don't get is that every subc has it's own symbols (even if they are cultural influenced) and you have to understand your own set of symbols rather than doing some ritual out of the book with symbols of other people.

Subc is not only the most powerful tool of you mind, it's also the one who does the magic. No communication, no control over your magic. Maybe you actually do some magic, but that's not you but only your subc wanting something of it's own, without communication. Learn your symbols to communicate. Learn to communicate, learn to trust.


See trancing of a way to communicate with your subc. The deeper the trance the easier you will get your message along, cause you interact more symbolic and more direct.

[shadowx]

I know there are methods but they never seem particularly effective for me.... Admittedly my bedroom is on the 3rd floor so i have nothing natural to connect to.

I have considered psychic vampirism to take excess energy but i do feel it is not something i *should* do, as to take excess money or belongings is still theft... Same goes for energy.

[Traumwandlerin]

What's up with 3rd floor? I'm also livin in third floor, this will only take me higher to the clouds to look at

But you don't need any natural things only if your subc only reacts to nature, but I would doubt that YOu could also look at random changing patterns in fractals on your pc monitor, or those nice screens they show sometimes when listening to music, or the strange pattern on your couch or wherever you find randomness.

[[ShadowPhoenix]]

I know there are methods but they never seem particularly effective for me.... Admittedly my bedroom is on the 3rd floor so i have nothing natural to connect to.

I have considered psychic vampirism to take excess energy but i do feel it is not something i *should* do, as to take excess money or belongings is still theft... Same goes for energy.

I see...I do not bind myself to such a code, I suppose one would say, I'm a bit darker than others...only a bit, what energy from others I do NOT use, I put into the earth. So, I suppose, in a way, that is my way of...giving back? lol