Ancestors

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MVTirado
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Ancestors

Postby MVTirado » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:35 pm

I have no formal opinions about what happens to people after they pass on. I believe in a life after death, and that everyone who has passed isn't necessarily sitting around in the same place, but I don't necessarily believe in "ghosts." Spiritual activity, yes, but I don't really know what I think about the dead being stuck here. Residual energy and such yes, but... I just try not to put a label on it.

I have a lot going on in my life right now, and I don't believe in disturbing the dead (but it's ok if they try to communicate), so I set out a glass of rum on my altar in a rather informal way, to acknowledge any ancestors who might want to pop in or something, however that works. :)

Long story shorter, I was urged to leave other things out as well. The weird part was that I got the feeling that I should NOT leave it all together. So, the two "offerings" are separated.

I've heard that when acknowledging deities that they like to be acknowledged individually, but has anyone heard anything like this about the dead?

I didn't really think it was likely if at all possible, but does anyone know if the dead hold... grudges or jealousy? Say if two people have passed on and one hated the other in life, could he/she still hate the other person even in death? I always thought that for ancestral food offerings, one plate was good enough for them all. I tried to set it all on one plate and got the feeling that I rrrrrreeeaally shouldn't do that.

FYI, they're set on my regular altar. I don't have much space, and so it's not a separate ancestral altar.

RainWizard

Postby RainWizard » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:00 pm

Trying not to put labels on things especially spiritual experiences is good becuz its not really what u know that matters, at least as far as catagorical knowlege is concerned anyway.. its mostly what u believe that counts. Its ok to call it this or that but u can't go around thinking u really know anything becuz u'll only find out just how much it is that u don't know becuz nobody really knows. I try to keep categories and labels at a minimum tho it is hard to talk about this stuff without using them.

To me its the experience that matters. If you think your ancestors r trying to tell u something yer probably right.. or maybe its yer spirit guide... could just be all in yer head. I believe in reincarnation tho I don't think that everybody is instantly reincarnated after they die. I think, for most poeple, its a choice and your spirit has some say in what type of person they want to be before they come back. Your mother or brother or best friend could be an ancestor. I believe some people r punished in this way tho its not our place to pass that kind of judgement here on earth.

The part about the two offerings is interesting.. maybe u have two spirit guides and they r also yer ancestors and they were making their presence known.. could be. Maybe its the african american couple from yer dream who knows? I'd just let it be for a while, kick back for now and wait for results.

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Postby MVTirado » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:29 am

Trying not to put labels on things especially spiritual experiences is good becuz its not really what u know that matters, at least as far as catagorical knowlege is concerned anyway.. its mostly what u believe that counts. Its ok to call it this or that but u can't go around thinking u really know anything becuz u'll only find out just how much it is that u don't know becuz nobody really knows. I try to keep categories and labels at a minimum tho it is hard to talk about this stuff without using them.
Yeah, I know... It's just that I really have no opinion. It may sound a little weird, but there are so many beliefs and theories about so many things, and I haven't seen enough "evidence" regarding some things to form a real opinion of my own.

Even with divination, for example, some say it's the spirits, some say it's the self or the higher self. I've been reading cards for awhile and I still have no clue. (never bothered asking the cards either. :-p) I don't know how it works, just that it does.

I'll occasionally feel bugged, like something or someone is trying to get my attention... living, dead, something else... I can't always tell the origin, but sometimes "gender".
To me its the experience that matters. If you think your ancestors r trying to tell u something yer probably right.. or maybe its yer spirit guide... could just be all in yer head. I believe in reincarnation tho I don't think that everybody is instantly reincarnated after they die. I think, for most poeple, its a choice and your spirit has some say in what type of person they want to be before they come back. Your mother or brother or best friend could be an ancestor. I believe some people r punished in this way tho its not our place to pass that kind of judgement here on earth.

The part about the two offerings is interesting.. maybe u have two spirit guides and they r also yer ancestors and they were making their presence known.. could be. Maybe its the african american couple from yer dream who knows? I'd just let it be for a while, kick back for now and wait for results.
I had no one particular in mind when it all started out, and the dream about my aunt and the dog actually happened before I set the tobacco out. The first person who came to mind, I won't say "sensed" as in literally in the room with me or anything, was my grandfather, and so I made coffee. And I think it was the rum, because while he will pop up in dreams I've never had a sense of him while awake that I can recall at the moment. haha So, I'm blaming the rum.

The urging wasn't like when I have felt an energy/presense in the room. A woman came to mind, for lack of better terms, and I didn't know who she was, or which side of the family. So, long story shorter, I just got the feeling that "she" didn't want her stuff with what was left for my grandfather. When I thought about it later, I wondered if it might be someone on my grandmother's side, as her side HATED my grandfather. (Wanted him buried in a different cemetery sort of hatred.) But it just didn't make sense to me that even in death there would still be a grudge. So, I wasn't sure if it was just a preference for individual acknowledgment OR if it wasn't a relative at all!

Since it is a main altar, and not something set apart of my ancestors, I did wonder if something or someone else might have wanted to get in on the action since I was receptive?

I've never left a food or drink offering so this is all new to me.

RainWizard

Postby RainWizard » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:32 am

Very interesting MV. Ya pretty much got me stumped. I don't do alot of work with spirits, ancestors, spirit guides etc but I'm willing to learn.. Like the other day I went out to my cousin's house but he was trimming bushes in the front yard. I got tired of waiting outside cuz of the heat so I told him I would come back later. Well I changed my mind and was going to go over to another friends place but when I dugs around in my pocket for my cars keys I pulled out my cousin's keys instead.. so I ended up going back over there.. I thought maybe it was a spirit trying to play a trick on me. Whatever it was I was meant to be over there at his place instead of my other friend. One thing about spirits.. they will try to trick u to either teach u a lesson or because they want something from u. I would say leaving the two offerings was a good move on your part.. that lets them know that you r aware and willing to work with them but don't take any crap from them, stay reasonable.. Cuz they really get off on it when u get all flustered and irritated.

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Postby MVTirado » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:12 pm

I asked my mother and she said that the aunt in the dream was the same aunt who wasn't very nice at my grandfather's funeral. I think it's still weird that I was able to positively identify my grandfather, but not this woman. In dreams, on the rare occasion that it is someone I can't get a sense of or identify by appearance, they usually identify themselves. I think it's also weird that my great-aunt would step forward before my grandmother would too. I've never met my grandfather (dreams aside lol), and my grandmother I've only met 3 times. This particular great-aunt, I probably only met twice in my life.

So maybe I could identify my grandfather because of the dreams, and that's why I don't know who the woman is (assuming she is a relative).

But that is a very interesting point, and something that I will keep in mind... about paying attention. I mean I don't know what it's like to pass on (and if I ever did I don't remember lol), but I might see the value in telling someone to do something different just to see if they pick up on it and are paying attention.

(I don't know why I just got a mental image of a scene from Ghost.)

RainWizard

Postby RainWizard » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:26 pm

I dunno either. Since u barely know yer aunt or never met yer pa then maybe it is yer higher self that is trying to communicate with u. See most ppl only use 10% of their brain and some ppl believe the other 90% is floating around somewhere near the area of the crown chakra.. maybe doing some work with this chakra and the third eye may help u.. I dont kno too much about charkas but I am somewhat familiar with Kaballah and the Middle Pillar exercise which include the chakras. Also the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentegram is good for clearing the air and grounding and keeping unwanted energies at bay.. im sure if u google it u will find plenty of info on all three..


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