Pro life or Pro Choice? (Serious Debate)

[twilight]

Accident may be prevented with proper planning, and thinking. Accidents come to people who lacks thinking. No offense to anyone, Its my opinion regarding the matter.

That's not always the case since contraceptives are not 100% effective. Some people try everything not to get pregnant and then as much as they have tried to prevent the issue - it's happened.

But sadly quite a few people these days just don't bother with contraception at all, and then are suprised when they get pregnant. blue_shocked

[kuotetsu]

We are given freedom by earth mother, it does not mean that can do whatever we want, we are responsible for our actions...

(Why not try withdrawal before the 'fluids' come out? It's a matter of self-discipline)

[twilight]

(Why not try withdrawal before the 'fluids' come out? It's a matter of self-discipline)

That's just a bad idea.

1. It's not very safe, it's unprotected sex.

2. It doesn't work very well. What's that saying, "There's a name for people who used the withdrawal method - Parents."

[Wolf Heart]

I think the withdrawal method could be helpful in only one case, and that's if the man is wearing a condom as well. It's just an extra precaution and can't hurt anything to wear one and pull out.

Blessed Be,
Wolf Heart

[Mycroft]

I am pro-abortion because if the mother is a teenager she will have a ruined life, and she is still too young for such decisions. Then, maybe a woman is pregnant with a man she didn't approve of, and she will have a reminder of her mistake. Either way, I approve of it. I don't understand why people don't use contraceptives.

There are condoms, pills, the second-day pill of which NO ONE knows. I know tons of young girls who are desperate that the condom broke or something and I just suggest the second-day pill, of which they don't know about. It's common sense to be informed of ways to protect yourself.

[[Moondaughter]]

Well, I am pro-choice. This is simply because it is the women's choice. What she wants to do with her fetus is not my business nor the governments. Also, she would need to be prepared in every aspect to have a child, spiritually, financially, and physically. If the women's not, how can anyone force child labor on her. Then, people say that the women could give the baby up for adoption. Well, I see your opinion, but really, as if our orphanages aren't full enough!

[Blazewind]

I seem to be in a minority in this debate, but I would have to say that I feel abortion is wrong in most normal cases. I believe in harming no one deliberatly, and is an unborn baby not still someone. Just though is just my own veiw of the matter. I am NOT the tpye who will go yelling at people who want abortions, that it is murder and all that stuff. It just personally feels wrong to me.

[Suppose;]

"There's a name for people who used the withdrawal method - Parents."

I had a good laugh at that one Twilight.



It's true: the withdrawal method isn't a very safe one.

Not only does it leave both partners open to more sexually transmitted diseases, but you take the major risk of not pulling out in time.

Accidents will happen, but let's try a little better to prevent them.

[Firesong555]

I'm mostly pro-life, but that would be mostly for myself. I couldn't stand the thought of ending a life before it could begin, so I know for myself I would have the child no matter what the circumstances were behind it, whether I had unprotected sex or I was attacked and sexually assaulted out on the street tomorrow. That's just how I am. When it comes to other people, the only way I can see it justified would be in cases where the woman was unwilling in the conception and all, or in cases where the mom and/or child wouldn't live through to term or after, or even if one or both would be seriously messed up. Other than that, I can't say I agree with it, but I'm not gonna go out there and make an idiot of myself because of what someone else is doing with their life. So, I'm a bit pro-choice, myself, but mostly pro-life.

[[ForestWitch]]

Wow, I'm actually kind of freaked out that there's anyone on this planet who considers withdrawal to be an actual method of contraception. I guess it's better than nothing, but not a whole lot.

To me, the reason that the "harming others" "life is sacred" arguments against abortion don't really wash is that everyone has their own opinion about when life actually starts. I personally don't believe that human life has begun before there are brain waves. Even pro-lifers don't claim that an embryo has brain waves prior to six weeks, so in that time frame I could have an abortion with no real ethical concerns. After that I'd have to give it more careful thought because I'd likely have to live with some doubt and guilt.

But that's only my opinion, and that's why women need to have the choice to do what's right for them.

[amunptah777]

Well, gotta go with your heart.

The issue is actually a philosophical one, based on the principle of the symbiosis between a developing fetus and it's mother.

A growing fetus is as much a part of the body of a woman as her toes or eyes, if we, as men, try to legislate that, what's next? Telling womyn they can't breast feed, can't get their ears pierced, or can't paint their toenails?

We're talking about the same principle as, hypothetically, if the government was mostly female run, and they tried to legislate vasectomies or castrations for men. Men would flip the f*ck out and you know it.

I will never be pregnant, I will never have to face the choice of whether or not to terminate a life which is growing inside me.

As a man, unless I'm the father, I don't feel I have any say in the matter at all.

Do I believe it's murder? Yes. Do I believe that my definition of murder should have any bearing on womyns right to choose? No freekiin way.

[The Judge]

I'll just sit here on my fence, because as Hedgewitch said each case is different but if there is no imidiate threat to the life of the woman or child I will not support abbortion, it's the easy way out of a situation they put themselves in, I guess what I'm trying to say is you should live with your mistakes not that a child is a mistake but you have to learn something froit and an abbortion is not the best way out it is merely the easiest.

[kuotetsu]

Ok, first of all I wanted to share what I had for the sake of elucidating the argument pertaining only to Abortion and not of other consequences that unsafe sex ensues.

No one can change the person's idea about things, it's her prerogative to choose what they wanted to do. As far as I can tell, not all of us believe in the saying "Harm None", well it depends on the person. But after having an abortion, what do you feel? Happy, because you escaped from responsibilities? or do you feel a bit guilty because you've murdered what's inside your body. Wasn't your conscience tried to bug you each time you think of it? Because I still believe that humans, are compassionate and it's innate for us to do good well, not all of us I think has the same concept of "Good" and maybe for someone abortion is Good for them ..

[LUNAAMOR]

in my humble opinion i think that if you are old, responsible, enough to have sex.then you are old and responsible to take care of the consequences that come with sex. that means a baby.

[The Judge]

True, but I chose the fence because there are instances where there may be no choice, such a complications and such.

Blessed Be,
The Judge