Yes he was a monster. Yes he was a tyrant. Yes he was a murderer.
But I fail to see the logic in showing him that it is wrong to kill.... by killing him.
Saddam Hussein and hypocrisy.
It is not about right and wrong, its about justice and the people's need to know that the monster is gone. As long as he lives there is the chance that he could be returned to power, either out of a momentary lapse or by force. The people wish to make sure that he never will. On top of this he ordered the excution of hundred and thousands of people. I want you to stop sit back and close your eyes, Imaggine it was your brother he ordered to death though he was innocent, then your father, then your mother, then your sister, and go through each of your families members one at a time.
As the bile at the thought of loosing that person to a death order for crimes that they most of time were innocent of, then think about why a death order, because that is only a minor scale of the hatred that those people feel for this man.
I admit I am biased I was in the first Iraq war, and I also beleive that sometimes the death penelaty is needed, as are natural disaters. The world is releativly small, and ifcontinue to try and keep monsters alive or prevet deseases that serve the purpose of keeping the human population at a controlable lvl, we will one day run out of room on it. Harsh but in a way its true.
The death penelty is something we have used for centuries even in our own past, the romans fed the christians to the lions as a religion of hate and destructive force. The death penality is not new, just our ideals of everyone has a right to live, even if they prove they dont care about that right when it comes to you.
As the bile at the thought of loosing that person to a death order for crimes that they most of time were innocent of, then think about why a death order, because that is only a minor scale of the hatred that those people feel for this man.
I admit I am biased I was in the first Iraq war, and I also beleive that sometimes the death penelaty is needed, as are natural disaters. The world is releativly small, and ifcontinue to try and keep monsters alive or prevet deseases that serve the purpose of keeping the human population at a controlable lvl, we will one day run out of room on it. Harsh but in a way its true.
The death penelty is something we have used for centuries even in our own past, the romans fed the christians to the lions as a religion of hate and destructive force. The death penality is not new, just our ideals of everyone has a right to live, even if they prove they dont care about that right when it comes to you.
technically by pagen beleif hunny we do, have the right to decide, if it is proven that they do not deserve to live thenthey don't, we don't have our gods saying leave judgment to me the christians have that, we have our gods telling us that we have to live with each other, and its our rules and our ways that decide that.
The gods will take no part in it untill your soul goes to them. Hypocrisy is not in the equation because they kill for no reason, we kill to protect ourselves from them. Hypocrisy is when you you do exactly the same for exactly the same reason saying its wrong, We don't we say its wrong and take their ability to ever do it again away.
Before its said inprisonment for life, doesnt work. because you are looking at the chance that any time they can get out, Did you know that most criminals who kill for pleasure will kill again, not matter how long they are in jail. Infact of the people who have gotten life senteces in the US, who have been parolled, and yes no matter what you are in jail for you are intitled to it, and alot of löifers do get parolled, have killed with in weeks of getting out.
Case and point a man in jail for murder he commited in the 60's when he got out, he was in his late 80s, he was sent to a old folks home, to live the final of his life cared for and not in jail. He murdered his nurse and room mate, and then himself, in the exact same fashion he had when he was a young man.
The death penalty is a nessary evil, that we take apon our selves because we don't have the gods to hide behind, we have to take care of our own lives, and when we die and only when we die will we have to make our case to the heavens.
The gods will take no part in it untill your soul goes to them. Hypocrisy is not in the equation because they kill for no reason, we kill to protect ourselves from them. Hypocrisy is when you you do exactly the same for exactly the same reason saying its wrong, We don't we say its wrong and take their ability to ever do it again away.
Before its said inprisonment for life, doesnt work. because you are looking at the chance that any time they can get out, Did you know that most criminals who kill for pleasure will kill again, not matter how long they are in jail. Infact of the people who have gotten life senteces in the US, who have been parolled, and yes no matter what you are in jail for you are intitled to it, and alot of löifers do get parolled, have killed with in weeks of getting out.
Case and point a man in jail for murder he commited in the 60's when he got out, he was in his late 80s, he was sent to a old folks home, to live the final of his life cared for and not in jail. He murdered his nurse and room mate, and then himself, in the exact same fashion he had when he was a young man.
The death penalty is a nessary evil, that we take apon our selves because we don't have the gods to hide behind, we have to take care of our own lives, and when we die and only when we die will we have to make our case to the heavens.
ive never really thought highly of life sentances, its a waste of time, money and space.
but i agree with exilus on the fact that its a necessary evil, but is it really evil, there are many views to see it, by ending one life to save many more, if it is your life you are ending its heroic, if anothers life is being forcebly ended for the same reasons its murder. but i do see certain aspects as hipocrasy, like last time i saw bush in TV he was toting around a bible and such, and we all know that book is very hipocritical but plain as day one of the 10 commandments is thou shalf not murder, but do the ends justify the means, well plain as day murder is murder, and should a one way ticket to hell or whatever, but through circumstances it has been deemed ok, so you say who has the right to take another life. exilus says we do, it is our god given right as people to decide on how to run the world. Christian god apparently has people kill evil in his name he too has given people that right. the only difference is by who's order the killing takes place...
but i agree with exilus on the fact that its a necessary evil, but is it really evil, there are many views to see it, by ending one life to save many more, if it is your life you are ending its heroic, if anothers life is being forcebly ended for the same reasons its murder. but i do see certain aspects as hipocrasy, like last time i saw bush in TV he was toting around a bible and such, and we all know that book is very hipocritical but plain as day one of the 10 commandments is thou shalf not murder, but do the ends justify the means, well plain as day murder is murder, and should a one way ticket to hell or whatever, but through circumstances it has been deemed ok, so you say who has the right to take another life. exilus says we do, it is our god given right as people to decide on how to run the world. Christian god apparently has people kill evil in his name he too has given people that right. the only difference is by who's order the killing takes place...
I do believe in capital punishment. My problem is with the justice system as a whole, though. They make it very difficult to try criminals and very easy to try the rest. For example, the insanity plea. I don't give a rat's ass if you were crazy when you killed your kids. You still killed your kids. (For example).
Hussein was very much in control of his faculties when he ordered all those people dead. Therefore, I think he is very guilty and should have been punished for it.
However, Bush didn't send his troops in to put him on trial. They went in to search for fictional weapons and locate their infrastructure. Then when they didn't find what they were looking for they took him down. It wasn't justice, it was an excuse.
Hussein was very much in control of his faculties when he ordered all those people dead. Therefore, I think he is very guilty and should have been punished for it.
However, Bush didn't send his troops in to put him on trial. They went in to search for fictional weapons and locate their infrastructure. Then when they didn't find what they were looking for they took him down. It wasn't justice, it was an excuse.
I think in most cases the death penalty is too easy. I don't wish for people to be able to have the easy way out. However, it is impossible to punish someone like Hussien and give him what he deserves without killing your own soul. I would have to say in Hussein's case the only way to be sure he won't kill again is to make sure he can't and that means giving him back to mother earth.
Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?
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Sister Maeve
If I am correct, it was not the United State's decision to have him hanged. It was the people of Iraq, the cultural and traditional punishment used in their country, that was the deciding factor. I have qualms with our justice system as well. The death penalty is pretty sick, yes, but from an economic standpoint, life sentences are pretty bogus. Granting a murderer the absolute security of a roof over his head and plenty of food for the rest of his natural life? On the other side, I do not put the authority to take life in the hands of a government. I'd like to think that people get what they deserve, but in many cases, it just doesn't happen.
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gweneverewitch
ok first off i want to say that he was a sick sick man that needed to be leave this earth along time ago.
Now what im going to say something and i don't care if it sounds stupid or wrong but this is what i think:
Im confussed on what he was being tryed on and for. I know he killed thousands of his own people but if he makes the laws and the rules and at the time he wasn't breaking any laws how can the new government charge him on crimes that weren't even crimes (legaly not ethicly) when it happen?
To me it would be like saying (i know its a really bad example but its the only one i can come up with) It is now illigal to have an abortion and every women that had one before this new law will now be charged with murder..it doesn't makes since.
I am not defending him in ANYWAY, im just trying to understand what was going on.
Now what im going to say something and i don't care if it sounds stupid or wrong but this is what i think:
Im confussed on what he was being tryed on and for. I know he killed thousands of his own people but if he makes the laws and the rules and at the time he wasn't breaking any laws how can the new government charge him on crimes that weren't even crimes (legaly not ethicly) when it happen?
To me it would be like saying (i know its a really bad example but its the only one i can come up with) It is now illigal to have an abortion and every women that had one before this new law will now be charged with murder..it doesn't makes since.
I am not defending him in ANYWAY, im just trying to understand what was going on.
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