Help-need peace spell 2 stop an argument

[saianalyd]

my sister and mother fight all the time about everything-even little stuff like the TV remote. When they argue, it gets bad, and they have both developed a significant grudge.

IT KILLS ME TO SEE THEM TEAR EACHOTHERS' FEELINGS APART!!

does anyone know of a spell that will keep it from getting as bad. i need something to fill the pit they dug between eachother, or at least a way to calm them down.
any suggestions??

[Hera#76]

Not a spell but how about sitting them both down in the same room and telling them how their battles make you feel. How awful it makes you feel to see two people which you love argue and be horrible to each other.

Would this not help?

[zoe]

I agree this doesn't strike me as a magickal situation. There definately needs to be some dialogue going on here in order to resolve this.

[Nyte_Wytch]

I agree that you should try mundane means before magic to resolve a problem. Try talking. But if issues exist that will prevent them from getting a long then by all means go with spell work. I just to sent an email to a friend of mine who is really great with these type of spells. I'll post anything she sends when I get it ;o)

[moonlit]

I also agree. I would try to handle things in other ways than a magical one. Plus any spell that you would use would probably be free will.

moonlit

[Elem]

In ways I find it amusing that people instantly jump to magick as a quick-fix for all situations, when normally.. There's much better 'tried-and-tested' methods available.

You wouldn't cast a spell to push open a door when you could just get up and do it with your hand.. So why turn to magick to solve your problems, when in reality there's probably better ways of going about it?

I have no qualms with people using spells to support an action.. For instance, a spell to support them through trying to lose weight. But, under no circumstance, should people simply assume that they can cast a spell to solve all their problems.

Sorry.. I'm ranting again. Ignore me .

Elem

[katie2005]

if all fails you can try this one. it is a nice one hope you like it. it was given to me by ladyseawych. we are here for u if u need more advice.


Spell for Coping with Family Troubles (good if you have children that are involved )

Need: A children's bottle of bubbles with a blower or you can use a bowl of very soapy water and some wire twisted into a small circle and a handle. A packet of seeds.

Best Time Any clear morning in a flat open place where the bubbles can easily fly away.

The Spell:

1. Go to an open space and look directly upwards at a clear patch of sky.

2. Shake the bottle or bubbles nine times and chat:-

"Above, below and all around
from highest sky to lowest ground
So I blow these troubles away"

3. Slowly blow your first bubble and as it ascends, name the first or main problem and say:

"Fly high to the sky
No more to stay
So I blow these troubles away"

4. Blow as many bubbles as you wish for each aspect of the problem or other difficulties that are causing family unhappiness. Repeat the above chat for each trouble. When you have finished walk away scattering the seeds behind you without looking back.

[Nyte_Wytch]

Katie 2005 wrote:
Spell for Coping with Family Troubles (good if you have children that are involved )

Hey you beat me to it ;o) I just got this spell from Lady Sea Wytch and she says it works! BTW she is the author. She also said to evoke the God and Goddess (Herne and Bridget) as they both have protection characteristics. As I said in an earlier post try talking them both if it doesn't work then move on to magic.
Futher more in a case like this unless your a liscensed Dr. you can't be EXPECTED to help them work through their problems. Their emotional issues may be beyond your help mundanely. That's my opinion--mileage may vary.

[Nyte_Wytch]

*Nyte climbs back up on her soap box*

I'm at a loss here. saianalyd makes a post in the SPELL OR RITUAL THREAD asking for what? A spell or ritual. What do they get? Drive by advice.... If ya don't have one--then don't respond. There are numerous times when someone ask or requests something instead of what they wanted they end up with a deluge of lectures and armchair psych advice.

[Elem]

I'm at a loss here. saianalyd makes a post in the SPELL OR RITUAL THREAD asking for what? A spell or ritual. What do they get? Drive by advice.... If ya don't have one--then don't respond. There are numerous times when someone ask or requests something instead of what they wanted they end up with a deluge of lectures and armchair psych advice.

As has been gathered from one of her other posts, Saianalyd is only 13. I am, by no means, suggesting that 13 year olds shouldn't cast spells.. But, really, aren't there better solutions to this problem? I was just attempting to highlight this fact.

I only post when I see a point in doing so, generally. In this case, I wanted to highlight to this young and new member the importance of not just using magick to solve every problem. She has never so much as done a spell before, so why jump to spells as an answer now?

It's this kind of "Oh, I'll cast a spell to solve it!" attitude that can get people into trouble. I am, by no means, referring to any kind of "karmic law" or "three-fold rule".. But simply to the fact that, for the most part, people who do this don't know what they're doing. They'll 'cast spells' all their life, hoping it'll solve their problems, but ultimately.. Get nowhere with learning to deal with and cope with the problems themselves.

You can't solve all your problems with spells. Problems are, by definition, problematic. Nobody likes them, but we all have them.. And we all have to work through them. A spell can support a solution, but should never be seen as a quick fix to a situation.

<Rant over>

Elem

[Nyte_Wytch]

Elem said:

(my answers are in blue)


As has been gathered from one of her other posts, Saianalyd is only 13.

I didn't realize she was so young. But since she is I'd dare say she hasn't the communication skills either to deal with her mom & sister. So now what?

She has never so much as done a spell before

We all have to start somewhere. I've heard more than one older, learned witch say the younger a student the easier it is to teach them to cast.

so why jump to spells as an answer now?

Maybe she feels it's her only solution. I personally would rather cast than attempt to deal with two argumentative people. Less drama.

You can't solve all your problems with spells.

A good witch can with the right spell. Should they? No. However is can be less troubling at times, quicker and more efficient.

**Again my point was the drive by counseling. That belongs on the advice thread. However, due to her age I understand to a degree. I have seen posters much older ask for a spell or ritual and they got hit with lectures and other judgemental comments instead.

<Rant over>

So Noted

[katie2005]

WELL IF SHE IS 13 THE SPELL GIVEN TO HER IS A NICE ONE TO TRY, KIDS YOUNGER THEN HER HAVE TRIED IT.

IT IS GOOD TO GIVE ADVICE BEFORE THE SPELL BUT IF ALL FAILS THEN WHY NOT GIVE IT TO THEM. THEY ARE COMING HERE FOR HELP ARENT THEY :

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIDS AND THEY TEACH THEM ABOUT SPELLS AT A REAL YOUNG AGE. IF SHE BELIEVES SHE CAN DO IT WELL LET HER TRY. WHY SEND BAD VIBES TO HER ...

HOPE ALL GOES WELL.

[Nyte_Wytch]

Katie 2005 said:

THEY ARE COMING HERE FOR HELP ARENT THEY ?

Thank you--my point exactly.

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIDS AND THEY TEACH THEM ABOUT SPELLS AT A REAL YOUNG AGE.

Yes, the ones who are lucky enough to have parents who practice the magical craft. I wish mine had...

WHY SEND BAD VIBES TO HER ...

I can't help myself-- I like you...


HOPE ALL GOES WELL.

Ditto

[[LunaRose]]

You know, I know I'm popping in here kind of late and everything, but I was thinking this earlier and I think I will just go ahead and say it.

A lot of people I know who are in their 30's now have stated as a general concensus, that all of us knew at a very young age, that mainstream paths didn't suit us. I was always into magick, mythology, and metaphysical topics, however because there's not that much information avaliable, to youngsters, I wasn't able to study at all untill I was older. I didn't even know Paganism existed until I was older.

My point is that we all have a beginning and that we should all be respected no matter what point we are at in our learnings, becasue we are all constanly learning something new and are all beginners at something anyway. I just know that it would bother me if I wasn't taken seriously because I was real young.


**Serious Rant**
P.S. I know some adults that act like children and could actually learn a thing or two from some of the minors I know.

[hedge*]

Elem said:
(Nyte_wytches answers are in blue)
My answers in purple


As has been gathered from one of her other posts, Saianalyd is only 13.

I didn't realize she was so young. But since she is I'd dare say she hasn't the communication skills either to deal with her mom & sister. So now what?
You know it is normal for mothers and sisters to fight and argue, I'm guessing sianalyds sister is older than her and all teen girls fight with their mums - it's part of growing up. If there's anything to be learnt here it could be for sianalyd to observe both the behaviours of her mum and sister and use them accordingly with her own relationships.

She has never so much as done a spell before

We all have to start somewhere. I've heard more than one older, learned witch say the younger a student the easier it is to teach them to cast.
Yes we all have to start some where but I feel I have a responsibility to try and teach younger people about the general workings of spells, without that basic understanding a spell isn't going to work.

so why jump to spells as an answer now?

Maybe she feels it's her only solution. I personally would rather cast than attempt to deal with two argumentative people. Less drama.

You can't solve all your problems with spells.

A good witch can with the right spell. Should they? No. However is can be less troubling at times, quicker and more efficient.
I beg to differ Nyte - you CAN NOT solve all your problems with spells - it doesn't work like that

**Again my point was the drive by counseling. That belongs on the advice thread. However, due to her age I understand to a degree. I have seen posters much older ask for a spell or ritual and they got hit with lectures and other judgemental comments instead.
I've said this time and time again and I will say it again now, if someone asks for a spell and I think it unnappropriate then I wil say so. My opinion will be given, whether its heeded or not is out of my hands. There are important lessons to be learnt by dealing with issues that life throws our way, quick fix spells are not the answer.
I agree with elem totally and couldn't have put it better myself.

I only post when I see a point in doing so, generally. In this case, I wanted to highlight to this young and new member the importance of not just using magick to solve every problem. She has never so much as done a spell before, so why jump to spells as an answer now?

It's this kind of "Oh, I'll cast a spell to solve it!" attitude that can get people into trouble. I am, by no means, referring to any kind of "karmic law" or "three-fold rule".. But simply to the fact that, for the most part, people who do this don't know what they're doing. They'll 'cast spells' all their life, hoping it'll solve their problems, but ultimately.. Get nowhere with learning to deal with and cope with the problems themselves.