Justice or Revenge?

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Postby shadowx » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:01 am

Rape is indeed wrong, however at the stage one human being decides to take the life, or otherwise destroy the life of another human being (or in some cases animals) they forfeit all human rights and any other right in my eyes.

As for prostitutes they have done nothing wrong. I have never, and indeed almost certainly will never visit one, however morally they have done no wrong.

I accept your point about the reasons behind stealing, and you are right, there are often motives for theft, including feeding one's own family. However there are those who choose theft as a "job" instead of studying and applying for legal jobs. For these people i have no compassion.

I dont agree with the idea of removing limbs for theft, it was an example, but a very good one.
Does it bring back the security that the victim had before some one stole from them?
To some people i expect it will help them to feel more secure, particularly in the case of rape, murder and especially domestic violence imprisonment or (as an extreme example) amputation to the point that person no longer is a threat, would indeed help the victim feel safe in knowing it cannot happen again.

However, the main purpose is to prevent it happening to other people. Back to amputation, like i said, it is extremely difficult for a one, or no-armed thief to steal. This in turn makes them no longer a threat which is helpful. Imagine a serial thief robs 5 houses in one road. The first time he gets caught and let off and then robs four more houses. What if we could go back in time and chop his arms off after the first time? Four more houses wouldve been safe, four more families would not have the trauma of waking up to find a thief in their house, possibly with a weapon, possibly threatening them or their children.

In this example the punishment would have a significant point.

It is of course only an example, however it highlights that punishment, as opposed to revenge, has a point and a reason.

I am not saying amputation is a good thing. So some more examples... An abuser who abuses a woman, give him the beating of his life and repeatedly let him know if he comes near the woman again he will be killed. He wont be back anytime soon (and youd possibly go to jail, so dont do that ;) )

On the other hand, you key the abusers car and pour paint all over it. What does this do? Naff all. He wont be scared of hurting women again. OR mask up and ambush him at night, give him a beating and run away without him identifying you. The outcome is he feels more insecure and hurts women even more to make up for it.

The point of this is not to make it up to the victim, they must do that from within themselves. It is to ensure the person doing it is either unable to do it again, does not want to, or is too scared to do it again. That prevents future hurt to people which is the overall goal.

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Postby JBRaven » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:23 pm

I just have to disagree with you shadow.

All life is important. I do not care if you rape, murder, or steal. There is always a reason to take into account. I say this even though I have been on the recieving end of many crime. Maybe it is just who I am. I do not expect others to feel the same way.

Punishment for me is an odd subject . I know it is needed because people just will not be decent to eachother if it is not there, but I also want to know the whys and understand a sick mind.

And in the case of the abuser of women, I really do not know that you can beat that out of some one. Dealing with the issues that cause this behaviour may help more.

Who am I to judge, for I have not all the facts.

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Postby shadowx » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:41 am

I agree that you cant really beat any type of behaviour out of someone, but you can make them so scared of the consequences that they dont do it, which is what punishment is for.

Some people are better off dead, for the sake of the rest of the world. It's a harsh thing but its true, for the sake of many, few must die and of their own fault.

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Postby WatchfulEyeTheButterfly » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:09 am

Shadow I'm telling you, watch Death Note. If you don't want to watch all of it just watch the first few episodes, maybe three, and you'll understand how I think you are just like Light. Sorry to push this but your idea of justice and his are so parallel it's kinda funny and I think you might like the show.

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Postby JBRaven » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:38 am

Some people are better off dead, for the sake of the rest of the world. It's a harsh thing but its true, for the sake of many, few must die and of their own fault.

No one would be better off dead. Each and every action that is put into existance causes millions to react from it.

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Postby Kaimira » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:10 am

hi,

your right life is important, but sometimes in prison they have death chambers to kill you with. i am like they should be made to stuffer in prison not a needle in the arm and be dead. death is the easy way out.
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Postby JBRaven » Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:34 am

hi,

your right life is important, but sometimes in prison they have death chambers to kill you with. i am like they should be made to stuffer in prison not a needle in the arm and be dead. death is the easy way out.
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Postby shadowx » Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:42 am

But it is for the future victims...

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Postby Lily Cantodea » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:57 am

So Lilly Cantodea by what you say, you suggest what? let this rapist be? of course the damage have been done, I agree, but on a court a murderer will be convicted, they convict him even though the victim will never come back to life, so what do you say, we should not convict someone or revenge in this case because the damage is already done? I'm not attacking, in a few words I just disagree.
You're twisting my words and just putting others in my mouth.

I never said we should just let the rapist be - he deserves whatever he gets. I said killing him won't change the fact that the damage has been done. Whatever happens to him is not up to me. If I had it my way, the man would be in jail right now. I don't care what happens to him. As I said in my previous post, I was just making an observation. I would be the LAST person on earth to EVER say we should just allow a rapist to walk free.

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Postby JBRaven » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:15 pm

But it is for the future victims...
Is it? If a criminal gets off do the victims have no future? The victims future will start when the victim can comes to terms with the past.

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Postby shadowx » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:10 pm

I perhaps didnt phrase that as best as i could have, i mean if a would be rapist is killed, or otherwise incapacitated they will have no future victims, thus the world is a better place.

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Postby Kaimira » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:28 pm

do you mean by giving the vitcims justice? there's has been big oppse on death setence. where they where using nasty chemicels and the guy was still a live, took him seven mins to die.
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Postby Lily Cantodea » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:02 am

do you mean by giving the vitcims justice? there's has been big oppse on death setence. where they where using nasty chemicels and the guy was still a live, took him seven mins to die.
Would you have rather them hang him instead, where it takes almost 20 minutes to die? Or death by firing squad, where they miss internal organs but shoot him just right so that he bleeds to death?

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Postby Kaimira » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:47 am

hi,

do they still hang people in the USA? i heard stories where people who where hanged be came aroused while being hanged. I don't know if that's true or not but sounds weird.
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Postby Lily Cantodea » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:06 pm

hi,

do they still hang people in the USA? i heard stories where people who where hanged be came aroused while being hanged. I don't know if that's true or not but sounds weird.
I don't know if they do or not - people use hanging for either suicide or murder, but as far as I know, hanging hasn't been used as capital punishment in years. And as for arousal, I wouldn't know anything about that; I've never heard that.


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