Should I...?

[Xal]

I dont mind the questions though the initial motives were less than desirable things seem to have calmed down...

RE: angels and demons.

Everything in the universe has its opposite *EVERYTHING* There is not a single thing that doesnt have an equal and opposite. Nothing. Ever.

Based on that i conclude that everything in magick has its equal and opposite too. (Because magick too must exist within the universe, or multiverse which in term exists within a larger "thing" which i call the universe).

So, if angels are beings of goodness, and are different to humans (In the same way that a demon is not a bad human, it is a demon) then there MUST be an opposite to that. I just cant fathom any other possibility. The natural opposite to an energy being of pure good is one of pure bad.
That is what i take from the combination of science and magick.

Perhaps it is not true. But it works with everything we see in science and in magick. Karma for example. If i send out good then i receive good and vice versa. This is an example of the "Every action has an equal and opposite re-action" and the ideas of science and everything having an opposite. The opposite of to send good is to receive good (although i have been debating with myself if the opposite of sending good is to receive bad because of send/receive and good/bad but i am unsure).

I do not believe in angels or demons. I do however believe in good and bad people. These people when they die remain good or bad unless they change their ways. A particularly bad person, like a child rapist murder or Hitler for example would be a "demon" to me. IE he is a bad person, evil if you will, but he is still a person (or spirit) despite this. Being bad does not make you grow huge teeth and red eyes etc.... The same applies to good.

I believe that back in the day these people were either mistaken for beings of a different nature (angels/demons) or they were deliberately called angels and demons to fit in with current religious and cultural trends.

I would agree accept that I would say that only the 3rd dimension is the realm of opposites.

For example, if the universe is infinite that would have to mean that there would also have to be a finite universe. But how could a finite universe exist separate from an infinite universe?

On a more topical point, the abilities or powers that are ascribed to angels, or spirit guides, or things of that nature can only be obtained (on the higher end of things, in terms of power) by raising ones vibration, by moving up. Therefore to acquire the extra energy or dimensional awareness to have such abilities, requires the mindset or spiritual knowledge that would be associated with an angel or guide. Thus it would make no sense for a being of opposite intentions to be able to exist or access the same powers.

I do think there are things that lurk on the lower 4th dimensional planes of awareness that can be called "demons" but I would hardly say they are equal to what we call "angels."

It also brings to the point, what is an angel? What is a demon? I'm sure everyone here has a slightly or vastly different answer to that question.

[Airlight]

Sure You can believe what you want. But I also believe what I want and will voice my truths as I see fit. It is then your choice to keep them or toss them aside.

There is a difference, express your opinion, but don't bring down another person to express your opinion or you will get the same thing shadow did. Hatred and making yourself look better does you no good.

[Xal]

Wow... Okay I guess no one can have any beliefs without them being gone against, I just thought this forum of all places would be the best place to ask a question like this. guess not. Thanks Airlight for defending me. I think I should be able to state how I feel without being ridiculed QUITE so harshly. Shadow you do have alot of hidden anger. I wish you wouldn't let it leak into your statements and comments. I don't like being called crazy. I know what I know and I feel what I feel. I know what they are. I saw Blake once at night while astral traveling and that was proof enough.

Everything is not a personal attack. There is no need to be overly defensive. You stated something that clashes with ideology of most people, and have done a shoddy job at best to try and explain the proof behind it.

I however understand the feel of possible betrayal or shock when you say something you think everyone is on the same page with you only to find them all upset or disagreeing with you. As I have experienced the exact same thing, however with people who were not even willing to discuss it.

I would say be happy that instead of people laughing it off immediately or calling you crazy, that at least it is open to discussion.

[Xal]

hi purple,

don't listen to him he's full of him self.

shadow, that's alright to be just a pagan and not being in the goddess or god. i assume ur angery because people are pushing against u, that's the impression that u gave me when i scaned u. i am disapointed that u are fighting everyone and everyone is upset and pissed off at u. i think u should say sorry to the people u hurt.

Hex I don't want to assume anything but whether it was your intent or not you seem to falling into the pit of an Ad hominem, argument.

I say this because you have said and done some things that I would personal view as "wrong."

Firstly you have read or scanned Shadowx's aura without his conscious permission.

Then you decided to publicly state what you interpreted, as opposed to a pm.

I think if anyone should apologize, it should be you.

[Airlight]

I believe when something is typed to the public, it is public knowledge. As I have read shadow's aura, your aura, hex's aura, purple's...and plenty of others. It is how I get to know you, it is how I can sense how you felt when you typed something. If you publicly type something, I have a right to read your aura and read you...I wouldn't mind if someone did it to me. All the more to people, I would be glad to know what people think when they come across what I am typing.

[Hubertus]

I believe when something is typed to the public, it is public knowledge. As I have read shadow's aura, your aura, hex's aura, purple's...and plenty of others. It is how I get to know you, it is how I can sense how you felt when you typed something. If you publicly type something, I have a right to read your aura and read you...I wouldn't mind if someone did it to me. All the more to people, I would be glad to know what people think when they come across what I am typing.

Seems rather rude to read people's aura's without their permission. I would despise anybody who dared to read my aura without me knowing and/or wanting it to be read.

[Xal]

I believe when something is typed to the public, it is public knowledge. As I have read shadow's aura, your aura, hex's aura, purple's...and plenty of others. It is how I get to know you, it is how I can sense how you felt when you typed something. If you publicly type something, I have a right to read your aura and read you...I wouldn't mind if someone did it to me. All the more to people, I would be glad to know what people think when they come across what I am typing.

There's a difference between reading into the understanding of what someone is typing, an reading their aura in general.

Saying you have a right to read someone's aura just because they typed something is almost the same as saying, you have the right to read someones mind because they told you something.

According to your ideology it would right for me to hack your computer to "better know you" or break into your house to better understand the context of you as a person.

Are you saying that all those things are ok too?

[Airlight]

I believe when something is typed to the public, it is public knowledge. As I have read shadow's aura, your aura, hex's aura, purple's...and plenty of others. It is how I get to know you, it is how I can sense how you felt when you typed something. If you publicly type something, I have a right to read your aura and read you...I wouldn't mind if someone did it to me. All the more to people, I would be glad to know what people think when they come across what I am typing.

Seems rather rude to read people's aura's without their permission. I would despise anybody who dared to read my aura without me knowing and/or wanting it to be read.

You are typing, I can see it right now...It has always been the way I have been, rude or not. I can see it....I wouldn't mind someone seeing my aura if they can get pass the fake ones first and tell me my true aura. I would love someone to do this. I would not find it rude.
I have been developing these gifts since a small child, they are strong and I cannot help if I can read it even with or without your permission. It is not me being rude, my gift just does it.

[Hubertus]

[quote=Airlight]You are typing, I can see it right now...It has always been the way I have been, rude or not. I can see it....I wouldn't mind someone seeing my aura if they can get pass the fake ones first and tell me my true aura. I would love someone to do this. I would not find it rude.
I have been developing these gifts since a small child, they are strong and I cannot help if I can read it even with or without your permission. It is not me being rude, my gift just does it.[/quote]

Hmmmm....Then comes the question of disipline. But, if you say that it is more of an involentary thing, then I suppose there is not much I can do about it. As for your chalange, I can't read auras (I can see them if I really gather my strength, and even then only a shimmering form of one) but you are welcome to try that same thing on me as well.

Huh...We've gotten rather off-topic, haven't we?[/quote]

[Airlight]

We have, haven't we?? Yes, but you are a calm person...I have displine, my gifts can let me travel into the mind of a person, which...I prefer not to do, sometimes, minds can be messy and scary...but a mind has files of many things. Auras are outside and around the body...and it is involuntary for me to do that part.

You have also posted pictures of yourself, which carriers your aura.

[WitchyLady506]

I believe when something is typed to the public, it is public knowledge. As I have read shadow's aura, your aura, hex's aura, purple's...and plenty of others. It is how I get to know you, it is how I can sense how you felt when you typed something. If you publicly type something, I have a right to read your aura and read you...I wouldn't mind if someone did it to me. All the more to people, I would be glad to know what people think when they come across what I am typing.

Seems rather rude to read people's aura's without their permission. I would despise anybody who dared to read my aura without me knowing and/or wanting it to be read.

I agree to some extent. It's one thing to get a basic "feel" for someone and it's another to just start poking around. Kinda like digging through some one's medicine cabinet just because you're in the neighborhood.

If the person is asking for help or advice it's one thing to tap in for some more information, but just looking around because you can is a bit rude. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you always should. Sometimes it can be hurtful to both you and the person you're reading, so it's best that both are the same level of excepting/giving the information. Plus you can't unlearn things....

[shadowx]

Yay flame wars

Purple:

Okay I guess no one can have any beliefs without them being gone against

Welcome to life.

Conflict and disagreement are part of life, you need to learn to detach yourself from your beliefs. Regularly i am ridiculed for my beliefs, do i care? not really. One of two things will happen when i die, I will either be proved right and they die they will see i was right. Or i will be stone cold dead and wont know i was wrong. *shrugs* only time will tell i suppose. I honestly couldnt care less what other people get up to so long as it doesnt harm people it bothers me not. That includes their beliefs and actions.

However, you came here stating so many things from popular vampire myths and stories. Aversion to sunlight, being turned by being bitten, religious symbols burning the skin, no turning back and it even descended into transforming into bats. You gave no statement to support your claims other than Bast and jake (i think) who is a friend telling you it is true. I want to say something but i believe it will give everyone an even more negative opinion of me.. Usually that wouldnt bother me in the slightest but i will refrain. Just remember to question everything... Is it really Bast? Question that too. If you know it is then fair enough...

Hexima: I havent taken offence from your aura reading of me, but i can see what people have been saying, everyone who reads auras or gains other personal facts about an individual should be careful about what they disclose. But like i said, you havent offended or upset me.

I am afraid to say however that i wont be apologising (again) in this post. I have done so plenty of times.

Everything i post is my opinion. In my opinion a person that gets bitten vy a "vampire" will not become a vampire, they will not become allergic of sensitive to the sun, they will not *need* to drink blood or suck energy in any other way (that is a decision that *you* make and is not related to being given the gift by a bite) and you certainly will not be able to transform into a bat or (in my opinion of course) any other animal.

I may have put it blunter than that but given where this thread was going i think the time walking on eggshells had come to end.

If there is one thing i dislike about the pagan community as whole is that many pagans tend to be offended so, so, so easily. It gets ridiculous trying to have a conversation about the reality or possibility of one thing or another because everyone just starts playing the flame card and accusing each other of being nasty. If that is your view of me then that is unfortunate, but this is who i am. I am not afraid to say i think someone may be lying to you, or that i think it is utterly ridiculous. You are perfectly within your right to pick me up on any one of my ideas and beliefs and tear them to shreds, if you succeed then i change my beliefs and i consider that my beliefs have got stronger. For every false truth you destroy i will find one to replace it. Eventually it will be a true truth that is indestructible and my belief will be rock solid. You would have helped me.

[JBRaven]

*claps*

[Airlight]

I have nothing bad to say...shadow but...you aren't turned into a vampire simply by being bitten it is you are bit and nearly drained of all your blood and then you drink from your sire(master/father vampire), supposedly it is a VERY painful process.

[shadowx]

Well the act of being drained of most of your blood is foolish in itself on health grounds.

drinking from another would then not replenish your stocks of blood. Only a blood donor injected into a vein could do that instantly. Other than that it would require several days of rest and eating good food to allow your bone marrow to create more blood.

not to mention how this would open you up to infection with such a lack of white blood cells. And your heart rate would increase while blood pressure dropped to dangerously low levels.

I find the whole idea pretty unreasonable, not to mention i cannot see metaphysically how it would "infect" you with vampirism.

Define a vampire Airlight, describe to me its characteristics, metaphysical and biological. Tell me what it can and cant do, then we can discuss it.

Currently my argument is that Purple has been mislead about the characteristics and powers of vampires.

Thanks JBRaven by the way