sorry I missed that part the soul is energy and with enough energy you can keep from moving on with even more you can still keep the brain firing, thus allowing strength of will to be the driving force behind moving the body and the reason you are supposed to stab the heart is that was believed to be where the soul resides and if you note with Brahm Stokers Dracula you had to also decapitate them and stuff the mouth with FRESH garlic blossoms not the bulbs, there by releasing the soul and severing the neural function.I did wonder if that was the case. However, you still didnt answer my other questions about how the spirit can keep the body alive despite being starved of nutrition and with little or no useful, functional blood in their system.
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It is simply not possible for the soul to sustain the body.
Muscles need energy, oxygen and an electrical trigger to work. The trigger is a nerve pulse that comes from the spinal cord. Let's take the heart.
Assuming a vampires blood is "old" in that their marrow no longer produces new blood then their blood would be dead. The red blood cells which contain haemoglobin would probably have degraded within hours or days of the blood renewal stopping not to mention that everytime the vampire passes urine more blood would be lost until there would simply be no blood at all in the veins. Long before total blood loss the muscles would cease to function. The blood brings in oxygen to the muscles, such as the heart, which, when triggered by the brain stem uses that oxygen to chemically react sugars which come from food, into energy which i what makes the muscle work.
So, if the vampire didnt eat anything with starch or sugar in it (which blood wouldnt have, at least it wouldnt have enough to sustain anyone for any length of time) then there would be no energy. Combine this with the fact that there is no oxygen as the vampires own blood is useless then the heart simply could not beat. Hence, death. The same applies for every muscle in the body and every other organ including the brain. The body cannot live without a brain. It is like a car without a driver, the engine may be perfect, but without a controller it is useless.
It is utter nonsense!
Muscles need energy, oxygen and an electrical trigger to work. The trigger is a nerve pulse that comes from the spinal cord. Let's take the heart.
Assuming a vampires blood is "old" in that their marrow no longer produces new blood then their blood would be dead. The red blood cells which contain haemoglobin would probably have degraded within hours or days of the blood renewal stopping not to mention that everytime the vampire passes urine more blood would be lost until there would simply be no blood at all in the veins. Long before total blood loss the muscles would cease to function. The blood brings in oxygen to the muscles, such as the heart, which, when triggered by the brain stem uses that oxygen to chemically react sugars which come from food, into energy which i what makes the muscle work.
So, if the vampire didnt eat anything with starch or sugar in it (which blood wouldnt have, at least it wouldnt have enough to sustain anyone for any length of time) then there would be no energy. Combine this with the fact that there is no oxygen as the vampires own blood is useless then the heart simply could not beat. Hence, death. The same applies for every muscle in the body and every other organ including the brain. The body cannot live without a brain. It is like a car without a driver, the engine may be perfect, but without a controller it is useless.
It is utter nonsense!
Those who don't ask...just do it because it makes them feel good. I ask before I do what I do, my fiance asks me before he does what he does to me.
Xal, I told you from my personal experiences from what I have seen about vampires, LONG before twilight(horrible little fanfiction...) Everything is psychological with vampires as it is their belief, I'm not one to tell them they are wrong as they don't have the right to tell me witchcraft is not real and I am wrong. If you don't want to listen to my personal experiences, it is your problem. I've seen them drink blood and they say they need it to survive that it gives them strength, I say okay and that is the end of it. Pushing my own beliefs on someone is not something I wish to do.
If people want to believe in something and want to believe this is real and if her friends are leading her to stray from something, then I hope with all that is in me she realizes it before it is too late.
Xal, I told you from my personal experiences from what I have seen about vampires, LONG before twilight(horrible little fanfiction...) Everything is psychological with vampires as it is their belief, I'm not one to tell them they are wrong as they don't have the right to tell me witchcraft is not real and I am wrong. If you don't want to listen to my personal experiences, it is your problem. I've seen them drink blood and they say they need it to survive that it gives them strength, I say okay and that is the end of it. Pushing my own beliefs on someone is not something I wish to do.
If people want to believe in something and want to believe this is real and if her friends are leading her to stray from something, then I hope with all that is in me she realizes it before it is too late.
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For the record.
I am not sure how many people actually believe in the truths about Bram Stokers, Dracula, but I would like to clarify that it was considered a work of fiction in 1897 as it is now. Bram Stoker was actually not the first writer to inspire the now modern aspects of, The Vampire.
John William Polidori created the debonair Vampire countenance, which inspired Dracula and every other Vampire fiction series. Below are some outtakes from his original story, first published in 1819.
"In spite of the deadly hue of his face, which never gained a warmer tint, either from the blush of modesty, or from the strong emotion of passion."
"Her earnestness and apparent belief of what she narrated, excited the interest even of Aubrey; and often as she told him the tale of the living vampyre, who had passed years amidst his friends, and dearest ties, forced every year, by feeding upon the life of a lovely female to prolong his existence for the ensuing months, his blood would run cold, whilst he attempted to laugh her out of such idle and horrible fantasies; but Ianthe cited to him the names of old men, who had at last detected one living among themselves, after several of their near relatives and children had been found marked with the stamp of the fiend's appetite."
"He found himself in contact with some one, whom he immediately seized; when a voice cried, "Again baffled!" to which a loud laugh succeeded; and he felt himself grappled by one whose strength seemed superhuman: determined to sell his life as dearly as he could, he struggled; but it was in vain: he was lifted from his feet and hurled with enormous force against the ground:—his enemy threw himself upon him, and kneeling upon his breast, had placed his hands upon his throat—when the glare of many torches penetrating through the hole that gave light in the day, disturbed him;—he instantly rose, and, leaving his prey, rushed through the door, and in a moment the crashing of the brandies, as he broke through the wood, was no longer heard."
"Upon her neck and breast was blood, and upon her throat were the marks of teeth having opened the vein:—to this the men pointed, crying, simultaneously struck with horror, A Vampyre! a Vampyre!"
Below is the poem published with, The Vampyre in 1819. This poem was one of the first fictional works on, Vampires. Originally published in 1813.
"But first on earth, as Vampyre sent,
Thy corse shall from its tomb be rent;
Then ghastly haunt the native place,
And suck the blood of all thy race;
There from thy daughter, sister, wife,
At midnight drain the stream of life;
Yet loathe the banquet which perforce
Must feed thy livid living corse,
Thy victims, ere they yet expire,
Shall know the demon for their sire;
As cursing thee, thou cursing them,
Thy flowers are withered on the stem.
But one that for thy crime must fall,
The youngest, best beloved of all,
Shall bless thee with a father's name—
That word shall wrap thy heart in flame!
Yet thou must end thy task and mark
Her cheek's last tinge—her eye's last spark,
And the last glassy glance must view
Which freezes o'er its lifeless blue;
Then with unhallowed hand shall tear
The tresses of her yellow hair,
Of which, in life a lock when shorn
Affection's fondest pledge was worn—
But now is borne away by thee
Memorial of thine agony!
Yet with thine own best blood shall drip;
Thy gnashing tooth, and haggard lip;
Then stalking to thy sullen grave,
Go—and with Gouls and Afrits rave,
Till these in horror shrink away
From spectre more accursed than they." -The Giaour, Lord Byron
John William Polidori created the debonair Vampire countenance, which inspired Dracula and every other Vampire fiction series. Below are some outtakes from his original story, first published in 1819.
"In spite of the deadly hue of his face, which never gained a warmer tint, either from the blush of modesty, or from the strong emotion of passion."
"Her earnestness and apparent belief of what she narrated, excited the interest even of Aubrey; and often as she told him the tale of the living vampyre, who had passed years amidst his friends, and dearest ties, forced every year, by feeding upon the life of a lovely female to prolong his existence for the ensuing months, his blood would run cold, whilst he attempted to laugh her out of such idle and horrible fantasies; but Ianthe cited to him the names of old men, who had at last detected one living among themselves, after several of their near relatives and children had been found marked with the stamp of the fiend's appetite."
"He found himself in contact with some one, whom he immediately seized; when a voice cried, "Again baffled!" to which a loud laugh succeeded; and he felt himself grappled by one whose strength seemed superhuman: determined to sell his life as dearly as he could, he struggled; but it was in vain: he was lifted from his feet and hurled with enormous force against the ground:—his enemy threw himself upon him, and kneeling upon his breast, had placed his hands upon his throat—when the glare of many torches penetrating through the hole that gave light in the day, disturbed him;—he instantly rose, and, leaving his prey, rushed through the door, and in a moment the crashing of the brandies, as he broke through the wood, was no longer heard."
"Upon her neck and breast was blood, and upon her throat were the marks of teeth having opened the vein:—to this the men pointed, crying, simultaneously struck with horror, A Vampyre! a Vampyre!"
Below is the poem published with, The Vampyre in 1819. This poem was one of the first fictional works on, Vampires. Originally published in 1813.
"But first on earth, as Vampyre sent,
Thy corse shall from its tomb be rent;
Then ghastly haunt the native place,
And suck the blood of all thy race;
There from thy daughter, sister, wife,
At midnight drain the stream of life;
Yet loathe the banquet which perforce
Must feed thy livid living corse,
Thy victims, ere they yet expire,
Shall know the demon for their sire;
As cursing thee, thou cursing them,
Thy flowers are withered on the stem.
But one that for thy crime must fall,
The youngest, best beloved of all,
Shall bless thee with a father's name—
That word shall wrap thy heart in flame!
Yet thou must end thy task and mark
Her cheek's last tinge—her eye's last spark,
And the last glassy glance must view
Which freezes o'er its lifeless blue;
Then with unhallowed hand shall tear
The tresses of her yellow hair,
Of which, in life a lock when shorn
Affection's fondest pledge was worn—
But now is borne away by thee
Memorial of thine agony!
Yet with thine own best blood shall drip;
Thy gnashing tooth, and haggard lip;
Then stalking to thy sullen grave,
Go—and with Gouls and Afrits rave,
Till these in horror shrink away
From spectre more accursed than they." -The Giaour, Lord Byron
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We have a researcher among us it seems!
Airlight: I too try not to say "that isnt true" as like you said, we here believe in magick which in itself is fairly hard to believe sometimes, so to say something isnt real is somewhat hypocritical. However, given the available evidence, scientific reasoning, history and common sense virtually everything about "true life" vampires is pure fiction and rubbish!
I've got no problem with goths wanting to call each other vampires as some sort of role playing thing, but when they try to tell methat it is all real and they are real life vampires like we hear in stories and see in films i find it so hard not to just scream BS at them!
Airlight: I too try not to say "that isnt true" as like you said, we here believe in magick which in itself is fairly hard to believe sometimes, so to say something isnt real is somewhat hypocritical. However, given the available evidence, scientific reasoning, history and common sense virtually everything about "true life" vampires is pure fiction and rubbish!
I've got no problem with goths wanting to call each other vampires as some sort of role playing thing, but when they try to tell methat it is all real and they are real life vampires like we hear in stories and see in films i find it so hard not to just scream BS at them!
I say let them believe and not say a word unless it comes to the point that they are becoming out of control. I say then we switch their blood with tomato juice and we are set...because their blood must be spiked. Let them be who they must, if we must, we can also throw a person believing they are a werewolf into the picture and what the fangs and fur fly.
I did not understand that your viewpoint about vampires was that it was purely psychological.Those who don't ask...just do it because it makes them feel good. I ask before I do what I do, my fiance asks me before he does what he does to me.
Xal, I told you from my personal experiences from what I have seen about vampires, LONG before twilight(horrible little fanfiction...) Everything is psychological with vampires as it is their belief, I'm not one to tell them they are wrong as they don't have the right to tell me witchcraft is not real and I am wrong. If you don't want to listen to my personal experiences, it is your problem. I've seen them drink blood and they say they need it to survive that it gives them strength, I say okay and that is the end of it. Pushing my own beliefs on someone is not something I wish to do.
If people want to believe in something and want to believe this is real and if her friends are leading her to stray from something, then I hope with all that is in me she realizes it before it is too late.
Where I assume purple wind is referring to something that is more physical in nature.
I have no problem with someone believing what they want as long as they understand it is a "belief" and not tote it as a fact. If someone is claiming to be a vampire not out of a belief but out of a fact then I will say, prove it factual.
"We are a way for the cosmos to know itself" - Carl Sagan
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I actually have a ton of original literature. I have an MA in English Lit, so collecting original works like the ones I mentioned above is sort of an obsession.We have a researcher among us it seems!
I've got no problem with goths wanting to call each other vampires as some sort of role playing thing, but when they try to tell methat it is all real and they are real life vampires like we hear in stories and see in films i find it so hard not to just scream BS at them!
This is an important point in a discussion. As I have a feeling that people have been arguing with each other when the definitions have not been clarified.
Purple wind seems to be speaking of something completely different then what you are referring too.
Purple wind seems to be speaking of something completely different then what you are referring too.
"We are a way for the cosmos to know itself" - Carl Sagan
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The only time ive studied english lit is school, and i have no intentions of repeating that experience! Having said that writing short stories and poems can be a good way to spend time.
I look forward to Purple coming back and responding, though i admit that i wouldnt read through 6 pages just to reply
I look forward to Purple coming back and responding, though i admit that i wouldnt read through 6 pages just to reply
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To clarify, based on Purple Winds posts below, she is speaking about the Vampire who would drink blood.
My two best friends are Vampires..One just turned the other.
I want to be a Vampire eventually but I don't know when.
I want to have kids so can eighther way so that's not a problem. I'm worried it will mess with my summer and graduation plans.. I like swimming alot and I'm going to go to Myrtle beach for graduation so it might cause problems there.
I can't be wiccan after I'm turned but the pros and cons are equal there.
Vampires can't be in direct sunlight and they lose their religion because the symbols burn their skin but those are the main cons. There's no going back...that's what scares me most. If any of you know of a spell that can make you go back and you know it works FOR SURE I'd like to know about it. It doesn't stop aging so I could be turned now without worrying about that.
Vampirism is hungering life force/energy.
Psychic vampires can pull energy from attention or other psychic things.
Most of the time Vampires do feed but some don't. Blood is the ultimate life force hence the blood thing. Just because it's usually easiest to just feed and pull the energy from the blood.
Not all of the fiction ideas are wrong and not all are right. The Twilight stuff is all bs. Vampires cannot feed on animals. It's like poison to them.
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I was interested to find this website, which I think may help you Purple Wind.
http://www.sanguinarius.org/
From what I can tell, it is a fairly well organized and respectable resource for modern vampires.
They actually have a contact section and tons of articles - and you may want to try asking for advice there too.
Best,
Jen
http://www.sanguinarius.org/
From what I can tell, it is a fairly well organized and respectable resource for modern vampires.
They actually have a contact section and tons of articles - and you may want to try asking for advice there too.
Best,
Jen
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