Ethics?

[Airlight]

I feel I must add. Is a blind person flawed because they cannot see? Is a deaf person flawed because they cannot hear? Is a mute person flawed because they cannot talk? Is an autistic person flawed because they do not understand the world around them?

No they aren't flawed, they are special and gifted. They might not have many things that others have, but they are gifted beyond any wild imagination.

[shadowx]

Let's dive into the fray again...

I think the main point is discretion. Perhaps if you honestly cant avoid reading the auras then it comes down to not telling anyone what has been read. If you have the power not to read them then i would be best not to do so.

My personal opinion is that if someone reads me then fine, however, if they start revealing personal facts, feelings, emotions etc.. then i would say that is an invasion.

It is like body language in a way, if someone read your body language then fair enough, its what they do to practise etc... but if they did so and then told everyone on the bus that you were feeling defensive and vulnerable with a twinge of sadness and guilt, and that you felt uncomfortable in public places and were nervous of the man three seats down, thats out of order.

Thats my opinion on the matter anyway.

[shadowx]

I feel I must add. Is a blind person flawed because they cannot see? Is a deaf person flawed because they cannot hear? Is a mute person flawed because they cannot talk? Is an autistic person flawed because they do not understand the world around them?

No they aren't flawed, they are special and gifted. They might not have many things that others have, but they are gifted beyond any wild imagination.

Yes they are flawed. Physically flawed that is. It does not mean they are inferior nor should they be pitied. Emotionally, mentally and spiritually they may well be more mature and developed than many physically unaffected person. But physically yes, they are flawed. In the same way that a car with no engine is flawed, and yet when polished and displayed it would have many features that a working car could never have.

[Airlight]

I understand that shadow, but I never said anything like that to you. If you noticed, if I sensed your anger I was angry with you. As you can tell, I am not normally a big of a bitch as most people think I probably am. I just send back what I sense back to the person. Not that I will ever apologize for that, it is the way I am. I did in school a lot from students to even teachers. I had no fear of that.

A blind person reads braille, just because they cannot see does not mean they cannot understand. A deaf person uses sign language, along with a mute person...they communicate. An autistic person may not understand the world around them but they understand things that most would not understand. They are not a car without an engine, they are just a car with a leak in the oil tank...that is what I think of them. They are not disabled, they are people.

[Airlight]

Sorry, I just have to add. I dislike when a person calls me flawed because I can't "turn off" my ability. It is not a flaw, it is a gift, a special gift..I do not call NightRose flawed for having to put up walls for her empathy. She should be able to control it without the walls.

[shadowx]

i have no gripe with you reading me. but if you did sense anything personal and revealed it then i would be somewhat annoyed.

RE: your analogy with an oil leak, is that not a flaw?

Physically speaking a disability *is* a flaw, by definition. a scar is a flaw, a lisp is a flaw, cancer, disease etc.. are all flaws. But flaws can be overcome like you explained with Braille etc...

[Airlight]

I wouldn't dare reveal something personal if I found out about that. That is between you...and whatever else. I wouldn't even pm you about it because it is not my business.

No, I don't think of it as a flaw (I actually have a car like that), it is just a small problem but does not effect my car.

Yeah but to sit there and call them a flaw and say because of this you are flawed, is rude...I would never go up to someone because they have a scar and go "You are flawed, that makes you a flawed person and terrible." I'd have every right to get the crap kicked out of me for that.

[shadowx]

# defect: an imperfection in an object or machine; "a flaw caused the crystal to shatter"; "if there are any defects you should send it back to the ...
# defect or weakness in a person's character; "he had his flaws, but he was great nonetheless"
# add a flaw or blemish to; make imperfect or defective
# an imperfection in a plan or theory or legal document that causes it to fail or that reduces its effectiveness

While the human body isnt a machine per say i feel the definition applies fully.

I will make it clear now that i am not saying any of this as an insult. I wouldnt not use physical or mental difficulties or dis/abilities as grounds for an insult. But by sheer definition it *IS* a flaw, in the same way that by definition a leaky oil tank *IS* a flaw. However, whether or not you notice/consider it a flaw in the finished article is different. For example an autistic child who has difficult in, let's say, language skills and maths may excel beyond belief in musical and performance abilities, so much so that they may become world renowned for their abilities. Is autism a flaw? Yes. Is it considered a flaw in this case? Hell no!

[Airlight]

While yes by definition it is a flaw, it will never be a flaw. A flaw effects your ability to do something and it doesn't for anybody. I did not think it was an insult, I understand exactly where you are coming from. By the very definition a flaw is something that is an imperfection..but you know what, everyone in the world has a flaw, birthmarks are flaws, freckles are flaws, but I just think if it doesn't hinder you ability to do anything then it isn't a flaw.

[shadowx]

I just think if it doesn't hinder you ability to do anything then it isn't a flaw.

I agree completely. So in your case, while technically it is a flaw (as is a boiler that you cant turn off, an engine that runs for ever etc...) it has no negative impacts in your life. So it isnt necessarily *considered* a flaw.

While it doesnt really matter i just wanted to prove a point There are two sides to everything. The literal side, and then the real side. Literally, it is a flaw, but in reality it is not.

[JBRaven]

Airlight we are not peronally attacking you it just kinda stuck on the subject of you because you are the most recent event on our radar. I still think that in a way your aura reading does hinder you because you see a aura and (it seems to me) that is the only thing you rely on. But what ever there is a tactful way of saying thing,.

Anyways! what are peoples thoughts on other forms of gifts? Do we as the "gifted" have a duty to spread our knowlage to other people that it concerns them. A friend of mine any time he is around magical people he is told about his path being wrong for him and how powerful he is. Is this right to say even if none of these people know him and they were not asked?

[Airlight]

I know I am the recent...but it is rude to say I am flawed. It does not hinder me..I don't just rely on just the aura, I rely on the posts and other posts people have made about a certain subject. I just have a thing that if I see someone being an a-hole, I'm gonna be one back. I'm half Irish and half Puerto Rican...I have a firey attitude and a temper that should not be messed with when you cross the line...it is the way I was raised "Don't back down and never surrender" "Someone hits you, you hit them 10 times harder"

I only help those who are interested in magic. Otherwise I do not bother unless I am asked. I say it is rude for you to push what you believe on another person. If you do not like people doing it to you, what gives you the right to do it to someone else? Everyone has their own paths whether it be with magic or not. Whether in your eyes it is right or wrong. It is their life, their path, their being, not yours.

[shadowx]

Interesting question. I feel it is wrong to pressure anyone on such a choice as religion or spiritual path. Having said that i will lay everything i know on display, like a table adorned with books all open and begging to be read. It is your choice if you want to read them, i will let you know they are there and what they contain but i wont sit you at the table and watch you read them.

If i knew anyone around me was interested in paganism i wouldnt hesitate to offer them the links and resources that would give them the information they needed. But neither would i tell them wicca is right for them or the druidic path suits them. I would only make sure they had access and the knowledge to find the paths for themselves and make that decision.

I think that is the only way of doing so, regardless of how you realise there is a yearning, or potential, be it magickal reading or an offhand comment.

[JBRaven]

Airlight I am not pushing my beliefs on you I am stating my opinion that i have a right to. They are my beliefs so I see them as my truths and if you were not so stuck in your ways maybe you would be a lot open minded to how others feel about your "Right". A lot of people here are always bitching about other pressuring thier belief systems but we are not. Next time anyone would ask a question what are you suposse to do? Just tell them to follow thier heart and give no real advice? What is the point. If I disagree with some one I am going to tell them why, and if there logic is sound then I will learn something, If not I am going to call them out on it. You have no care to others feelings or thoughts on this matter and that pisses me off. What is the point of being here if you are not trying to learn something? Instead you are attacking people for speaking thier thoughts.

You are defending voilating some one elses privicy because you want to. That is crap.

[JBRaven]

sorry to everyone else I know I should keep with the subject but I had to say it.

What should I do if my runes tell me that some one is in danger because I asked the question without being prompted to? Is it my duty to try and advert this dnger or let it be because it is not my place to change it?