Everything Under the Moon

Oh and your heart wouldn't race, it would quiver...and go into De-Fib...

Airlight, seriously?

You seem an intelligent person, tell me how a muscle can work without blood, which remember carries both energy (sugars) and oxygen. It simply cannot be possible.

Think about it.

If it were possible then vampires would be immortal by natural causes, hence people over a thousand years old etc... Which we dont see. The skin would turn a horrible colour due to blood rotting, the entire body would rot because the bodies defences cant fight back.

Seriously? You want me to believe that?

Oh and your heart wouldn't race, it would quiver...and go into De-Fib...

Only in cardiac arrest, but a lack of blood would cause your heartbeat to increase to try to get the most out of the little blood left until the heart was starved of oxygen and then you go into arrest.

Where do I start?

I think first of all I’m going to recommend that everyone that thinks they require blood to survive needs to visit a certified psychiatrist as soon as possible, please.

I hate posting super long posts due to the fact that most people do not read the entire post and re-post out of ignorance, the condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed, and that just angers me. Please if you feel so inclined to comment, please read the document in entirety or at least quote the points you wish to discuss.

After reading all the ‘facts’ (I use this word EXTREMELY loosely) that are posted I almost want to laugh. I am still at a loss as to where to begin.

I think I am going to start with why would ‘real’ vampires or “sanguinarians” make a forum explaining who they are and what they do; and quite possibly giving their location via IP address [http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm]? Consider the fact that humans wouldn’t appreciate a creature like that to be in existence, because a creature like that would have to ‘feed’ off of them, similar to a virus. Argo, if vampires were real, they would be hunted abundantly; not just the ‘few’ ‘hunters’, we are talking random blood tests, police checkpoints, et cetera.

Another point, wow I have a large quantity of stuff to cover, ‘sanguinarian.’ Who decided on this name? I think, I don’t know everything but, sanguinarian comes from the Latin word ‘sangui’ meaning blood. So where is Sanguinar? A sanguinarian would come from this place, I guess. Please correct me if I am wrong (a possibility could be the scientific term ‘sanguivory’ meaning feeding on blood.) Also, using a word like immortal, or not subject to death, would be a misnomer due to the fact that there are ‘hunters’ and vampires do die.

So much to go, I guess I’ll go with science next. Creatures (vampire bats, mosquitoes (Note: mosquitoes do not even need blood to survive, they just need the protein for egg development,) et cetera) that actually need to drink blood to survive produce a glycoprotein. Glycoprotein is an anticoagulant that inhibits the coagulation factor in blood. These creatures also have a special digestive system tailored specifically for their liquid diet.

In addition, the recommended daily minimum caloric intake for a young adult male is asserted by the relevant government agencies to be in the neighborhood of 2800 nutritionist’s calories per day (kcals.) This is alleged to be sufficient for minimal maintenance, not heavy labor. Like most such figures, the adult in question is assumed to be the stereotypical 70 kilograms (~155lbs,) North American.

A mammal digesting protein obtains about 4.8 kcals from one gram (dry weight) of protein. The constituents of blood are almost entirely proteinaceous (relating to or of the nature of protein,) so it is convenient to use this value. To obtain 2800 kcals, then, necessitates the consumption of 583 grams of dry protein per day.


I have been unable to obtain a lumped value for the total dry matter present in a given volume of mammalian blood, but a convenient reference book (Altman and Dittmer; Biology Data Book) asserts that the concentration of hemoglobin in human blood is 150 dry grams per liter. Yes, liter. Because human blood cells do not accomplish much except hemoglobin packaging, it is not unreasonable to take the 150 g per liter figure as the total protein content.

The previous two paragraphs imply, then, that 583/150 =3.9 liters of blood are required to meet human-level metabolic requirements, for one day.

I have a considerable distaste, for the above calculation. A human adult has a total blood volume approximating 10% of his body weight. Average human is 70 kilograms, 10% of that is seven kilograms of blood, seven kilograms is seven liters. Mammals cannot survive the catastrophic loss of more than about 30-40 percent of their total blood volume, that being a maximum of 2.8 liters from the above 7 liter scenario. The loss of 20% of blood volume is almost invariably survivable, meaning that a loss of 1.4 liters would not be fatal, though the impact would be substantial and unpleasant.

This means that in order to survive on blood alone you must feed on three people a night. Or at least kill a human and consume almost 4 liters of their blood. (The annual number of unsolved murders in the United States of America (~16,201,) high as it is, is not high enough to support the obvious possibility.) Not to mention the accounts and police reports of “vampire attacks” would be an enumerable figure.

Note if vampires do exist and in fact post on this forum then please explain the lack of grammar and spelling. If you have indeed lived for many generations then I would suppose that a vampire’s ability to spell would be near perfect; and a vampire would be extremely wise and knowledgeable. Again also, from what I have read here, most ‘vampires’ suffer from OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder.) If you are unaware of this disorder (if you’re a vampire you should know all about it) I’ll explain a little.

Obsessions are thoughts and ideas that the sufferer cannot stop thinking about. Common OCD obsessions include fears of acquiring disease, getting hurt or causing harm to someone. Obsessions are typically automatic, frequent, distressing, and difficult to control or put an end to by themselves. A sufferer will almost always obsess over something which he or she is most afraid of. People with OCD who obsess over hurting themselves or others are actually less likely to do so than the average person.

Compulsions refer to actions that the person performs, usually repeatedly, in an attempt to make the obsession go away. For an OCD sufferer who obsesses about germs or contamination, for example, these compulsions often involve repeated cleansing or meticulous avoidance of trash and mess. Most of the time the actions become so regular that it is not a noticeable problem. Common compulsions include excessive washing and cleaning; checking; hoarding; repetitive actions such as touching, counting, arranging and ordering; and other ritualistic behaviors that the person feels will lessen the chances of provoking an obsession. Compulsions can be observable — washing, for instance — but they can also be mental rituals such as repeating words or phrases, or counting.

I would suppose that if someone has OCD and post on a forum their grammar and spelling would be perfect due to constant re-reading and re-ordering thoughts and ideas. Not to mention a vampire intelligence would not allow for errors.

Now if you in fact that you think you are a vampire I will tell you what you suffer from. First, sensitivity to light, having red eyes, and teeth is an obviously porphyria. Porphyria is a disorder that is only hereditary and cannot be passed to other via blood transfusions.

The hepatic (liver) porphyrias primarily affect the nervous system, resulting in abdominal pain, neuropathy, seizures, and mental disturbances, including hallucinations, depression, anxiety, and paranoia. Cardiac arrhythmias may develop as the autonomic nervous system is affected. Constipation is frequently present, as the nervous supply to the gut is affected.

The erythropoietic (The formation or production of red blood cells) porphyrias primarily affect the skin, causing photosensitivity, blisters, itching, and swelling.

In some forms of porphyria, accumulated heme precursors excreted in the urine may change its color to a fluorescent reddish or purple hue.

Attacks of the disease can be triggered by drugs (e.g. barbiturates, tranquilizers, oral contraceptives, sedatives, and certain antibiotics), other chemicals, certain foods, and exposure to the sun.

If you have a perceived need to consume blood you have what is commonly referred to Renfield's syndrome. This illness was diagnosed by a clinical psychologist named Richard Noll. I am sure frequent visitors of this forum are well aware of the origins of this illness, if you are new or unaware I will explain.

Renfield is a fictional character in the novel Dracula by Bram Stoker. He is an inmate at the lunatic asylum overseen by Dr. Seward, and suffers from a delusional belief system that leads him to eat living creatures in the hope of obtaining their life-force for himself; being confined to the asylum, and aware of the foolishness of taking on a full-sized hospital orderly, this mostly means flies, spiders, and the occasional bird. During the course of the novel, he falls under the influence of Count Dracula - who, as a vampire, does the gaining-life-by-eating-life thing for real - and aids the Count in a number of small ways, most significantly by helping the Count gain entrance into the asylum after Seward and his fellow vampire-hunters make it their base of operations. People tend to assume that Renfield was a more active and long-standing servant of the vampire Count and often depict his zoophagous (the eating of creatures, or more specifically drinking their blood) mania as a result of falling under Dracula's influence, rather than as a pre-existing condition that made him vulnerable to it.

Renfield syndrome has been discussed on this forum before and I would like to rebuttal a response I viewed on that thread. Member Stevian (vampire) said that he was a sanguinarian and offered his insight. He said, “See, if it was just the renfield's syndrome, then it would be a matter of mind, but if I don't drink (Okay, I don't drink OFTEN, but I do indeed need to drink blood from another) I would get tired easily, and just be kinda blah as the days went on.” Other ‘sanguinarian’ feel free to comment (remember to quote sections.) As read from the forum, vampires do not need to eat ‘normal human’ food and survive on blood alone (in fact, human food is said to upset the stomachs of vampires.) As stated above the amount of blood you have to drink would be 1788.5 liters a year, or kill 365 human beings a year, or have at least 180 ready donors a year (this figure assume that it takes the average healthy person 60 days to regain the lost blood from a 2 pint donation (1 liter = 2.12 US Pints. And almost 3 pints are needed per donor) 3 donors a night times 60+ (remember 3 pints are needed, so recovery would be longer) day recovery equals 180 donors donating in a rotating schedule 60 day schedule.)

Information... Where are you all gathering the majority of your information from? Is there a central dogma? So many times I read threads where arguments arise due to misinformation, confusion, or ignorance. Who was the real first vampire? What folklore should I hold as the history of the real vampires? In Homer's Odyssey, for example, the shades that Odysseus meets on his journey to the underworld are lured to the blood of freshly sacrificed rams, a fact which Odysseus uses to his advantage to summon the shade of Tiresias. What about Bram Stoker tale? Should I believe Moravia, Albania, Bulgaria, the Aztecs, Austrians, Malaysians, Philippines, Gypsies, or the Caribbean fiction works about vampires? They are all stories and myths of creatures that do not exist. Also, the fact that almost everyone here has a different outlook, idea, or story about vampires makes it all even harder to believe. Information about every other animal is uniform. Why is the vampire so different? This is because there is absolutely no such thing as a vampire?

Please, if you MUST imbibe blood makes sure you do it safely and always get a blood test done before every transfusion.

I’m sure there is more, but at this point I believe that I have produced enough evidence to refute all claims of vampirism. I will personally guarantee that everyone here who claims to be an ageless vampire is a complete liar and in 10 years you will have aged 10 years. Also, I am 100% certain that all of you eat real human food to survive. I humbly await your replies.