Nature Energies and Divine Energies.

[Raven At Heart]

Let me start by saying that I am not saying nature can't be divine. My view on Nature and Divine energy is that divine energy does not follow the same rules as nature power.

Now the reason I am posting this one is, I would like to hear people's views on sources of magickal energies and types of them.

My own views are pretty simple. Nature energies are energies that come from our world and universe as a whole. They exist within nature and the universe is part of nature itself.

Divine energy can take many forms, but it generally does not come from nature.

What are your views on this? What type of energy do you feel most comfortable around? I'd like to discus it and learn something new if I can.

[mikezmac]

The divine is the same as the magikal for me. If I am seeking an attribute such as strength, protection or the such I would call on a deity that has those attributes.

I love your view on this and how well you put it. Wonderful.

[corvidus]

My own views are pretty simple. Nature energies are energies that come from our world and universe as a whole. They exist within nature and the universe is part of nature itself.

Divine energy can take many forms, but it generally does not come from nature.

Curious division. I'm not much for duality or multiplicity. I think there is only One type of 'energy', and depending on how it is adapted determines everything else (no matter which level/dimension/universe).

Based on my experiences so far, 'Nature' energy and 'Divine' energy are, at the purest level, one and the same thing. The same goes for Chthonic, infernal, stranger types and etc.

[Raven At Heart]

I see it as a duality because nature energy and nature magick have certain rules that they follow. What I call divine energy tends to ignore those rules and in some cases literally can overwrite them, creating a miracle, singularity, anomaly, or whatever you wish to call it.

[SnowCat]

Some would call that violating the laws of physics. I believe that the laws of physics are written in pencil, not in stone, since we clearly have a limited understanding of their true nature.

Snow

[Raven At Heart]

I don't know what you mean Snow. Nature magick violates the laws of physics too, if you have enough energy. I was meaning about the way it does it, not what it does. Means, not end.

[corvidus]

I don't know what you mean snow. Nature magick violates the laws of physics too if you have enough energy.

I disagree. NO magick will ever break the laws of physics.

[Raven At Heart]

If you haven't seen it before corvidus, then you may believe what you feel. I have however seen it on multiple occasions. From water that was full of muck, the muck instantly disappearing, to storms that do not match anything in weather pattern, to a freshly broken ankle setting itself and mending over the course seconds. These are just a few of them I have witnessed. One of which was on my own ankle.

[corvidus]

If you haven't seen it before corvidus, then you may believe what you feel. I have however seen it on multiple occasions. From water that was full of muck, the muck instantly disappearing, to storms that do not match anything in weather pattern, to a freshly broken ankle setting itself and mending over the course seconds. These are just a few of them I have witnessed. One of which was on my own ankle.

These can still be explained with the scientific method. Logic and all that. Everything trickles down from the higher levels.

Muck disappearing according to a change in polarities; seen that, done that. Storms spontaneous, talk to land spirits or the Moon. They'll play with magnetism and the electric fluid. Broken bones are set easy if you know which direction to apply force, and how much force. Doctors do it all the time.

But this doesn't discount the 'miracle' of spontaneity or 'magick'.

I disagree that magick will never defy laws of physics because the laws of physics are built off magick. Magick won't break physical laws because, at this level, they are physical laws.

[Raven At Heart]

If you haven't seen it before corvidus, then you may believe what you feel. I have however seen it on multiple occasions. From water that was full of muck, the muck instantly disappearing, to storms that do not match anything in weather pattern, to a freshly broken ankle setting itself and mending over the course seconds. These are just a few of them I have witnessed. One of which was on my own ankle.

These can still be explained with the scientific method. Logic and all that. Everything trickles down from the higher levels.

Muck disappearing according to a change in polarities; seen that, done that. Storms spontaneous, talk to land spirits or the Moon. They'll play with magnetism and the electric fluid. Broken bones are set easy if you know which direction to apply force, and how much force. Doctors do it all the time.

But this doesn't discount the 'miracle' of spontaneity or 'magick'.

I disagree that magick will never defy laws of physics because the laws of physics are built off magick. Magick won't break physical laws because, at this level, they are physical laws.

Not just set, mended. Went to the doctor the next morning to check and he said I broke it, 4 weeks ago on that day. And that comes back to the difference between nature and divine i was talking about. Laws of physics are set by nature magick. Divine magick has different rules.

[SpiritTalker]

Hmm. Try this: divine energy's the initiatory creative force, and nature energy results from interaction between objects. Both are different stages of the same force. That's my two cents.

[Raven At Heart]

Interesting theory spirit. I don't know if I'd say that myself though. Not all divine energy is creative. and interactions between objects is knowledge of the measured aka science. The combination of science and magick are called wizardry and alchemy, which are technically both forms of nature magick. So in a way I might say I agree, and in a way I might disagree.

[Ethereal Moon Rose]

I always thought they were the same force. Nature is divine and divinity (God and Goddess) is personifications of nature= the same energy. Sorry, I don't think I understand the question

[SnowCat]

I don't know what you mean snow. Nature magick violates the laws of physics too if you have enough energy.

I disagree. NO magick will ever break the laws of physics.

I think it might violate the laws of physics as we currently understand them. I just think our understanding is limited.

Snow

[SpiritTalker]

If energy is Divine, it should have the creative potential, even if it is not manifest. What makes it divine otherwise? Are we talking the Source or the effect? Nature has healing energy, but is not the source of it. Ask any injured animal, they lay on the Earth herself to be healed; and while She is Nature, She again is not the source of the energy, but a conduit, Just as we are. In my way of thinking, which just got tied up in a knot. I need coffee.