S.O.S: Is my family cursed? A strange tale.

[Seraphin]

Thank you for the response, BlueEyedOcelot - it certainly seems like there is much more to this than meets the eye.

I’ve answered some of your questions in the above, as for the rest, it isn’t that my parents are displaying new symptoms of any kind, it’s that whatever they had before is just so much worse, as in, shockingly worse. While I can attribute most of my dad’s symptoms to the Parkinson’s he just seems so lost within himself, so much of the time, and every time his brother comes over to see him it gets worse.

Yep I get that. What is this that they had before aside from your Dad's Parkinson that gotten worse?

My mother had fits of anger here and there when I was growing up but in the past few years she has completely unhinged. In particular, her anger towards that family is BOUNDLESS. Whether rational or irrational she just can’t seem to get over how they treated her all those years, she can’t forgive my dad for including them in the family, taking their side at times, etc. It is becoming damaging to her health, she is constantly lashing out at dad when that happens, and my sister and I are forever scrambling to pick up pieces. It is exhausting.

Lashing out at the slightest provocation is a sign of a person's dealing with serious anger management issues. I believe you need to identify how your mother had been hurt, what exactly these ill-treatments that angers her (perhaps their abusive attitude of swindling cash out from you guys). Is your Mom open to heart-to-heart conversation? If she is then do that first for us to find the source and roots of this.

I don’t know of any experience the cousin would have had with the occult, but I know her mother did. The mother passed away going on 20+ years now. The cousin
is much smarter than the aunt, a lot sneakier; she is very manipulative, cat-like, if you will, and knows how to get what she wants. When we were all “great friends” and such she would make tons of inferences to how easy my family had it, being from money, and how she didn’t have anywhere near the luxury that my family did. Her husband, my blood cousin, is the same, and he has never gotten over the fact that my family has so much more than his.

It should be noted that most of the strife between the two families has to do with money. My mother told me that when they all came to Canada in the 60’s, my uncle was making more money than both my parents combined. My mother is a very hardworking woman, always has been, but the aunt, nowhere near. In the 90’s my dad wanted to go into business for himself and asked his brother to partner up with him, to which my aunt said NO. Needless to say my dad succeeded beyond any of our wildest dreams, and thank heavens for that, as he is now well looked after with regards to his sickness and all the money-sucking tendencies that sickness comes with. My uncle’s family, in the meantime, has always had to scramble. His youngest son is a good man, hard worker, always there to help out, while his eldest son is very lazy, a huge mooch (always has been), and he bleeds his father and brother dry at every opportunity.

He has also asked my father for money on many occasions. He has also sent his father, my uncle, to ask my father for money on many occasions. As has his lovely wife. Both of them have tried to swindle cash out of us all time and again – this is fact. And sometimes it feels that as my father slips deeper within himself, my mother is the lioness that stands between her husband and them. But lately, it seems as if she is becoming more irrational by the year.

This is a valid information. From what you have described, it would appear that what your family is dealing with is a health and wealth-related curse. By no means am I the end of all wisdom here, but this is what I conclude based on the information you have given here.

I would suspect that your Aunt and your cousin is jealous of your family. Judging from what you are saying about the refusal of your Aunt to engage her husband in your Dad's business, your cousin's presumptuousness about your financial gain and her bitterness towards the luxury your family has, it seems to be that both of them may feel envious towards you; that they see your family as a rival or something (not to mention that jealousy and competitions bring out the worst in people), hence why they are playing some dirty games. Yes, I believe they're in cahoots.

They're doing what they are doing in the hope to drain your financial sources. They probably wouldn't want your family to relish the fruits of your hard work. They're really conscious that your cash inflows are going to be added feathers on your Dad's 'successful' businessman cap so they're making your parents sick in order to drain your savings and funds. The more severe the condition, the higher the cost of treatment and the cure. I'm not saying though that they are the one who put the curse but I'm not saying their innocent too. It could be that they hired someone to do this dirty job.

Now, I'm wondering if your aunt or your cousin or someone from his family had got a chance to get something from your Dad which is related to his work and business or something he uses in medication, treatment and such?

I could be wrong but I think the water they gave you and the red cloth is a trick and therefore cursed (and possibly contaminated) objects as your conditions aren't really improving but instead making your life more difficult. I'm sorry if I missed this, but have you ever visited the site where your aunt got the water? Also, aside from your Dad's bad health condition, do you sense any oppressive energies in your home, do you feel threatened and vulnerable, do you notice any heightened agitation or disharmony among your parents, we already know that your Mom has anger issue, so does it affect her relationship with her husband and her children, and do you feel restless and exhausted when you used that water and received the red cloth?

It wouldn't hurt too if you get a reading from the Hoodoo site Kass gave you, actually I strongly advice that you have to get a reading first before figuring out how to counteract this.

[BlueEyedOcelot]

Speaking of novellas, here is another one! Again, I try to answer questions as best I can but there is a ton of overlap, so everyone asking about, interested in and trying to help with this issue (sincerely, the greatest of thanks), is welcome to read through the whole thing.

Kassandra, thanks for the info. I will definitely be going that route.

Vesca, a lot of what you said with the history of energy work starting out as peasants’ practice makes a lot of sense, and in poorer, more behind areas like the villages of Serbia it’s practices like these that have held on, across many platforms.

I’m not sure either if the intent was positive or negative, just my initial feels about the experience were negative and gave of A LOT of bad vibes, but I think researching peasant and folk customs of the old Balkans is where I should turn my efforts.

Also, I think your suggestion of Shielding is excellent, and that is also where I will be going. Any suggestions?

Seraphin Murmur, to answer your specific questions:

One major development, soon after the whole water & cloth incident, is that my father developed prostate cancer. On the plus side his particular strain has been manageable, and it has never been as big a factor in his or our lives like the Parkinson’s has. Small blessings.

With regards both of my parents and what they “have” and how it got worse… the best way I can put this is that it seems as if, over the years, their fears have amplified a million-fold. My father has become paranoid, my mother’s insecurities, when she is tired or fed up with life, suck the energy out of us constantly. My mother was always prone to anxiety attacks but now they hit her on a constant.

The one thing that did get worse, a lot worse… my gorgeous little dog (who was a few months old at the time of the water incident), developed the worst type of cancer and died. We were practically nazi with his health and exercise regime. I am not finger pointing at curses here, but then again, I have never understood it. That put a huge dent in the family.

With just my mother… we know the source and roots of the issue, but she is NOT open to heart-to-hearts, and so these issues go unresolved, magnifying year after year.

I have always known that *that* family was jealous of our family, even before money came into the picture (when I was 9 I caught that aunt in my parents’ bedroom, going through my mother’s jewellery box), and my cousin marrying who he did has made it a lot worse. We do NOT live in the lap of luxury, not by any means, and what niceties my parents do have was made off the sweat of their backs – hard labour, all the while. But the financial contrast from brother to brother is apparent to everyone. With what you are saying about them playing games to drain financial resources… I would not doubt that at all.

Does someone have something of my father’s to keep him sick? I wouldn’t doubt that. A house is all about personal mementoes, and when my dad had his business, he welcomed friends and families into the office, the factory, with open arms. It wouldn’t have been difficult, but all the same being a quiet man, nothing was ever reported missing. With the exception of his pills, with he keeps an eagle’s watch on, it would be super easy for anyone to walk in and take something personal of his.

I have never visited the site from where this water hails. For one I don’t even know where in specific it came from, if they were telling the truth about its origins, and I have never been to Serbia.

Do I sense any oppressive energies in that home? You bet. When my parents bought, redid and moved into that house several years back (just a one month before the water incident, in fact), that house gave me such a sense of joy and peace. it’s in a beautiful quiet neighbourhood, there is a sense of community among the people there, beautiful greenery and trees, friendly dogs, you name it. Now there is such a heaviness, a sadness… I often find myself wanting to cry, and then I end up in the basement crying. I don’t know what it is.

Very honestly the only thing I can remember feeling when being asked to use the water, during use and after, is on edge. All my fight or flight instincts were on, but I had to do it and so I did. I don’t recall feeling drained or exhausted, just plenty freaked out, and grossed out from having my face smell that way.

My parents have never had a stellar relationship, but when you ask about heightened disharmony between my mother and father, and my mother and her children… that, my dear, is in spades. My mother can be just as paranoid as my father, and she holds a major grudge against that family and against dad for not being the husband she always wanted. When she lashes out and we try to calm her down, my sister and I that is… she tries to break us. That’s all I’ll say about that, and the best way I can put it.

And, I will be consulting the Hoodoo site. Post haste.

[BlueEyedOcelot]

Also, Kassandra, I tried to PM you about this but for some reason the site won't let me.

I have one question with regards to that site you recommended.

On this first point:

1. To get started, fill out and post a reading request form in their forum:
forum.luckymojo.com/lucky-mojo-hoodoo-rootwork-hour-radio-show-f30.html-sid=424e489a84b9e8859723da1bf44ff9b2 <~~copy and paste into your browser

No matter what I do or in how many different ways I try it takes me to this: forum.luckymojo.com/error.php?e=404

... an Error 404. Any suggestions?

[BlueEyedOcelot]

One more thing that I just remembered I should have mentioned - someone recommended that I destroy the cloth. Two reasons I can't do this:

1) One is practical, my dad is so paranoid about it that he refuses to be without it, at bedtime anyway. It would be easy enough to replace if I destroyed the original one, but if he noticed even the tiniest difference, it would be the end of the world for the rest of us.

2) My sister had asked someone (a medium, I believe) about the cloth and while no valid information was given regarding the entire incident, the person did warn that if destroying the cloth was bad news, because if it did contain negative forces, all would be unleashed.

Any thoughts on this?

[Seraphin]

Seraphin Murmur, to answer your specific questions:

One major development, soon after the whole water & cloth incident, is that my father developed prostate cancer. On the plus side his particular strain has been manageable, and it has never been as big a factor in his or our lives like the Parkinson’s has. Small blessings.

The one thing that did get worse, a lot worse… my gorgeous little dog (who was a few months old at the time of the water incident), developed the worst type of cancer and died. We were practically nazi with his health and exercise regime. I am not finger pointing at curses here, but then again, I have never understood it. That put a huge dent in the family.

I have never visited the site from where this water hails. For one I don’t even know where in specific it came from, if they were telling the truth about its origins, and I have never been to Serbia.

I'm not sure but it could be that the water they gave to your Dad is actually a 'War Water', though traditionally the spell is casted by hurling or smashing it at the doorstep of the victim or enemy, I believe it's negative effects will also work by using it. Ingredients included in War Water are rust (rusty iron), sand or dirt and Spanish moss, a plant which easily decays in the water. And as it dies, it stains the water dark muddy color and makes a swamp water odor. Some Hoodoo practitioners also include toxic chemicals like leather dust and creosote which are both carcinogenic (cancerous) substances.

The red cloth sounds like a Hoodoo laying down trick and the curse is deployed in that cloth. Red is the color of blood and war. Passing it to your first born means giving strife and violence the legal right to visit your children and continue working in your family. The cloth could also be negatively charged using dust, pins, mineral crystals or oils.

I have always known that *that* family was jealous of our family, even before money came into the picture (when I was 9 I caught that aunt in my parents’ bedroom, going through my mother’s jewellery box), and my cousin marrying who he did has made it a lot worse. We do NOT live in the lap of luxury, not by any means, and what niceties my parents do have was made off the sweat of their backs – hard labour, all the while. But the financial contrast from brother to brother is apparent to everyone. With what you are saying about them playing games to drain financial resources… I would not doubt that at all.

It is still wealth-related though, I would reckon they're panicking when your family is growing and improving. Aside from jealousy and envy, I also smell bitterness, arrogance and hatred from them. I suppose they were freaking out because you're rising or progressing beyond them. It gives them a terrible feeling of insecurity. That's why they will try to pull you down by means of 'cursing' your family

With regards both of my parents and what they “have” and how it got worse… the best way I can put this is that it seems as if, over the years, their fears have amplified a million-fold. My father has become paranoid, my mother’s insecurities, when she is tired or fed up with life, suck the energy out of us constantly. My mother was always prone to anxiety attacks but now they hit her on a constant.

Do I sense any oppressive energies in that home? You bet. When my parents bought, redid and moved into that house several years back (just a one month before the water incident, in fact), that house gave me such a sense of joy and peace. it’s in a beautiful quiet neighbourhood, there is a sense of community among the people there, beautiful greenery and trees, friendly dogs, you name it. Now there is such a heaviness, a sadness… I often find myself wanting to cry, and then I end up in the basement crying. I don’t know what it is.

Very honestly the only thing I can remember feeling when being asked to use the water, during use and after, is on edge. All my fight or flight instincts were on, but I had to do it and so I did. I don’t recall feeling drained or exhausted, just plenty freaked out, and grossed out from having my face smell that way.

My parents have never had a stellar relationship, but when you ask about heightened disharmony between my mother and father, and my mother and her children… that, my dear, is in spades. My mother can be just as paranoid as my father, and she holds a major grudge against that family and against dad for not being the husband she always wanted. When she lashes out and we try to calm her down, my sister and I that is… she tries to break us. That’s all I’ll say about that, and the best way I can put it.

You have to address the issues about anger, sadness, paranoia, anxiety, grudge and other negative thoughts and emotions because they give much power to the hated-inspired wish and wicked intentions of other people. In addition to the curses' visibly destructive effect, every thought, emotion or act of negativity creates an abstract energy, a worse energy.

The curse from other people also receive vital powers from us too. Our whole spiritual beings are involved in each thought, emotion and act, and the energies formed thereby accompanies us and becoming a part of the existence encircling us.

The energies are revealed in a variety of forms, in both material and spiritual ways, and in their revelation, making you suffer torment and pain, defeat and anguish, physically as well as spiritually.

1) One is practical, my dad is so paranoid about it that he refuses to be without it, at bedtime anyway. It would be easy enough to replace if I destroyed the original one, but if he noticed even the tiniest difference, it would be the end of the world for the rest of us.

2) My sister had asked someone (a medium, I believe) about the cloth and while no valid information was given regarding the entire incident, the person did warn that if destroying the cloth was bad news, because if it did contain negative forces, all would be unleashed.

Then I would not suggest to destroy the cloth but instead destroy the energies and bad intentions in it.

[BlueEyedOcelot]

How?

[Kassandra]

No matter what I do or in how many different ways I try it takes me to this: forum.luckymojo.com/error.php?e=404...Any suggestions?

Seems they've reorganized the forums/posts (they do that frequently), and the link is no longer good. But you were still on the message board, so to show you how to navigate the board (which has the same platform as this board I think, just different colors) click that bad link again, then do the following:

* at the upper left, click on "Board Index"

* scroll down a little, then click on, "Lucky Mojo Hoodoo Rootwork Hour Radio Show - Sign Up Here For a Free Reading!"

* scroll down a little, then click on, "2015 Radio Show Pre-Call IDs"

* find appropriate date of next Sunday's show, click on that

* create a new post (copy and past the blank form) and fill out the questions.


Keep the summary at the bottom of the form no longer than 1 or two sentences. Just ask what you want to know. I suggest not giving a lot of background information (as you did here). This enables readers to tune into the energy of the situation for themselves. They are very good at what they do, and will pick up on details you did not tell them.

Good luck with everything.




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[Seraphin]

How?

To destroy the cloth's baneful energy, you need an uncrossing or jinx-breaking powder for it.

UNCROSSING OR JINX-BREAKING FORMULA

You will need:
- salt
- powdered rue leaves
- powdered hyssop leaves
- ground black pepper
- sulfur
- sugar
- ashes of devil shoestring
- ashes of black chicken's feather.

Put all the ingredients into a bowl. Stir them thoroughly, saying as you do:

Mother Earth, I ask you for guidance and protection.
Give me the confidence to use the strengths I have.
And let it be done, that it harm no one.

When everything is thoroughly mixed, lay your hands over the bowl and say:

Mother Earth, charge these things to counteract the work of my enemy,
Give them power and let them aid me to overcome my difficulty.
And let it be done, that it harm no one.

UNCROSSING OR BREAKING LAYING DOWN TRICK DEPLOYED IN CLOTHING

You will need:
- hyssop oil
- black cord
- 4 black candles
- uncrossing or jinx-breaking formula

Have a bath or shower in warm water then scent yourself with hyssop essential oil or water. Now, quite relaxed and refreshed, make a circle using the black cord. Light one of the black candles at each of the four major compass
points of your circle and invoke the winds, facing each direction in turn, recite these words:

Hail to thee East Wind
Hail to thee South Wind
Hail to thee West Wind
Hail to thee North Wind
Turn back the ill will sent to me,
And send it on its way.

Then place some uncrossing formula powder in your palm and blow to each cardinal directions of your house to fully get rid of negative energies.

Facing east, get the cursed cloth, take a pinch of the mixture and blow it towards the cloth. See the ill will, bad intentions, and baneful energies dissolving with them.

The spell is cast, say your thanks and extinguish the candles. Now close your spell by winding up the cord circle counter-clockwise.

I would also recommend to wash the cloth using Chinese Wash before doing this.

[YanaKhan]

I don't mean to be a naysayer, but to be honest, guys, I highly doubt in Serbia anyone would actually practice advanced Hoodoo. Not that it's impossible, but highly doubtful.

The uncrossing spell Seraphin is suggesting is an excellent idea. Some cleansing and banishment in the house would help too I think.

I was hesitant if I should chime in in this thread, as it seems I repeat one and the same in all the "Am I cursed" threads. Still, I will say it - there might really be some influence on your family. I don't think it's magick at all, it's more of a ill will than anything else. Probably envy and spite. So my best guess is, your aunt and cousin decided to try and scare your family to death. They may not even know, actually, but most practitioners in the region don't really practice any magick. They've heard some things from others, inherited some from their mothers and what they do is, they place some object in the victim's house or give it to them, so the victim would freak out after they find out about the influence. I've even seen a "curse" on a white cloth that had something written in Arab. When I got it translated, it actually was a prayer for love. I mean, most practitioners here have no idea what they are doing, but some of the influences they put actually work, because the victim would believe in the curse. This is why some people here say that if you don't believe in curses, you cannot be cursed.

Once you got the red cloth and water, you basically charged them yourself by fearing some sort of influence. This way the ill will your family members have, was actually intensified by none other than yourself. What I mean is, you may actually have autocursed yourself and your family. Please remember, I'm not saying this is the case, but to me it sounds likely, I've seen it before.

This said, I think you really should try and cleanse your house, banish any ill will and uncross the cloth. I bet you all will feel better after that.

I'm very sorry about your father's illness, my grandfather had it and I know what it's like to see someone you love suffering from that. But sometimes people just get ill.


Love and light your way.

[Seraphin]

If there's magick involved in here, the practitioner who did this isn't from Siberia.

As BlueEyedOcelot said, they've never visited the site from where the muddy water came from and I reckon never personally met the seer who gave the cloth so if there's a genuine curse here, I assume your Aunt and cousin were just telling tales and they're manipulating your Dad to believe that those things have miraculous healing powers and they got it from Serbia.

But Yana has a point about auto-cursing yourself, this is why we need to consult the oracle first or get some psychic readings to discern this.

[Becks]

Yana may be correct. I don't necessarily think it was hoodoo, and it could well be that the family has so much negativity and spite and fear that they have unknowingly created, and continue to feed, a thought form. To discern is wise. Sometimes in the end we don't know exactly how the bad "vibes" got there...sometimes it remains a mystery. Regardless, it is still treatable and the suggestions made to bolster the family and allow them freedom from this negativity-are quite reasonable regardless of the exact origin.

Still, I think the fact is that somebody did work-yes, it may be as simple as cutting fabric and gathering/bottling (for want of a better term) "swamp water" and gave it to folks with instructions. How serious it is, and it's effects and origin could technically be debated.

Out of a desire for wellness/fear people applied this stuff to their body and breeched the auric field. I agree that this is enough for people who come from a belief in the supernatural to be influenced. I don't think anybody is debating that is where these folks are. I mean, when you think about it-many questions still remain. Ocelot may be the only family member interested in clearing her aura of this and using her self determination and magic to do so. Is that the case Ocelot? Will your family let you help, or are you on your own? Technically, you may be the only one cutting ties and cleansing yourself of this gunk.

[mrsdavid1975]

The water ITSELF could have something like bitterroot( calamus root) in it. It will cause a person to hallucinate .

Sulfur is an amazing protector as far as folk magic goes. I've used it. He would smell it though. .. But if you can get away with that, do it.

[BlueEyedOcelot]

I am so sorry for this terribly delayed response – crazy busy week!

Kassandra: Thank you! And also for letting me know to keep things brief, I would have written a book otherwise.

Seraphin Murmur: Thank you as well. I shall have a plucky time tracking down those ingredients I will definitely be asking the Oracle and I will keep this thread updated on the results.

YanaKhan: Being from the area (at least partly) and having grown up on this lore, I would have to disagree with you, at least if “hoodoo” can be reconfigured to folk magic, both light and dark. I grew up with not just these tales, but these people.

That said, the entire reason I came here and asked this question is not “am I cursed because terrible things are happening to me and my family” but more like, “this really odd, seemingly planned out thing happened to me and my family, does this sound familiar to anyone, and is it a curse?”

… if bright and sunshiney family members had done this for us I would not be here, it’s one of those things that has stuck in my mind as just not being right.

I can buy the auto-curse. I was just very interested in the ingredients and procedure of the incident itself, and came here seeking that specific help.

And, thanks for what you said and your well wishes. A sick family member takes its toll on everyone.

Becks: My sister and I are equally wanting to get to the bottom of this, and for the exact same reasons I’ve just mentioned. We can chalk up bad incidences to C’est la Vie, but for the both of us the procedure itself, and initiated by those people, was always unsettling. Our mother, on the other hand, would swear it was a curse up and down and nothing but, in small part because of the lore she grew up with, and in large part due to the people who brought the stuff into her house.

I will be the only one cutting ties and “cleansing” myself so to speak, as my dad is too far gone and my mother, too deeply involved in her own hurts. In short, I will have to do this for them.

mrsdavid1975: If I can get away with it, I will!

[Seraphin]

I am so sorry for this terribly delayed response – crazy busy week! .

Seraphin Murmur: Thank you as well. I shall have a plucky time tracking down those ingredients I will definitely be asking the Oracle and I will keep this thread updated on the results.

You're welcome!

YanaKhan: Being from the area (at least partly) and having grown up on this lore, I would have to disagree with you, at least if “hoodoo” can be reconfigured to folk magic, both light and dark. I grew up with not just these tales, but these people.

You grew up with the Hoodoo people? Are you referring to your cousin's mother? You said she was fairly knowledgeable in occult.

That said, the entire reason I came here and asked this question is not “am I cursed because terrible things are happening to me and my family” but more like, “this really odd, seemingly planned out thing happened to me and my family, does this sound familiar to anyone, and is it a curse?”

This is why I said what I said about the War Water and the cursed red cloth. This is a well-known bad magick trick rooted from Hoodoo traditions. And what you're describing sounds very much like these two.

mrsdavid1975:If I can get away with it, I will!

Are you planning to throw the water?

[BlueEyedOcelot]

It's not so much that I grew up with Hoodoo people - I really didn't, not in a middle class Canadian suburb! - but my parents grew up with this lore all around them and I was always hearing about it. Additionally, their friends and relatives from the motherland would always talk about it, too.

I am planning to throw the water. Now, do I have to be alone in the house to do this? Do my parents absolutely have to be there?