Should I...?

[Airlight]

Actually vampires have no blood, they are dead...they have no heartbeat at all. The process of draining the blood is to kill you, the process of drinking the blood is to change you. Supposedly it is a feeling of being on fire...very painful and will also cause you to have a blood lust. Also, the sire is infected with the gene/dna of a vampire and it will infect your body and what is left in your blood. You do realize that drinking blood, you get what is in that blood.

Now you want to get into the medical of what happens when you drink blood, you get the diseases that the person has and you get an overload of iron...

Also, we are not saying drinking from the bone marrow which actually makes the blood...and red blood cells.

Also, when they drain the blood, they drain you till the heart beat is extremely faint, as vampires have a heighten sense of sound and can hear the heartbeat of another person from far away.

Oh and your heart wouldn't race, it would quiver...and go into De-Fib...

[Hexima]

hi there,

i agree with u there, with so many faiths out there it almost religious war. example my son is a witch but not a wiccan, but i am wiccan and a witch but i never enforce my wiccaism on him. he has to choose on what he believes in.

[shadowx]

Airlight, seriously?

You seem an intelligent person, tell me how a muscle can work without blood, which remember carries both energy (sugars) and oxygen. It simply cannot be possible.

Think about it.

If it were possible then vampires would be immortal by natural causes, hence people over a thousand years old etc... Which we dont see. The skin would turn a horrible colour due to blood rotting, the entire body would rot because the bodies defences cant fight back.

Seriously? You want me to believe that?

Oh and your heart wouldn't race, it would quiver...and go into De-Fib...

Only in cardiac arrest, but a lack of blood would cause your heartbeat to increase to try to get the most out of the little blood left until the heart was starved of oxygen and then you go into arrest.

[Hexima]

vampires?! WTF i don't know much about vampires, i know there's two types of vampires, one that feeds off blood and the other vampire would drain ur engery.

[shadowx]

Indeed, i too believe there are psychic vampires, that is entirely possible, there are also people who drink blood, however neither of them are "undead" like Airlight has suggested. I can assure you of that...!

[Airlight]

Airlight, seriously?

You seem an intelligent person, tell me how a muscle can work without blood, which remember carries both energy (sugars) and oxygen. It simply cannot be possible.

Think about it.

If it were possible then vampires would be immortal by natural causes, hence people over a thousand years old etc... Which we dont see. The skin would turn a horrible colour due to blood rotting, the entire body would rot because the bodies defences cant fight back.

Seriously? You want me to believe that?

Oh and your heart wouldn't race, it would quiver...and go into De-Fib...

Only in cardiac arrest, but a lack of blood would cause your heartbeat to increase to try to get the most out of the little blood left until the heart was starved of oxygen and then you go into arrest.

Actually the lack of blood would make your heart quiver...have you seen a heart quiver from lack of blood? I have....it is freaky.

Muscles work because muscles create their own movement by their own means, blood just keeps them pink. There are many types of muscles...which would you like to know about and which one can do? (I am an intelligent person...ex medical major, current IT major...earn a masters...how can I have done all this at 22? Graduated at 16 been in college since, it is pretty good since I switched my majors a lot).

I am not asking you to believe, you told me to tell you about vampires, I told you exactly what I knew and how it worked. Also, it is magic and the Goddess and God is the one who controls that. I have no say in who they create and what they do.

[shadowx]

An arm muscle lets go with one of those. Any will do.

How can a muscle work without oxygen? I would imagine Anaerobic metabolism has a short duration, not to mention the lack of glucose and other sugars as a fuel source. Its like running your car engine underwater with no petrol/diesel/gas it just doesnt work.

Also why arent the vampires immortal? Do they breathe? If not why dont they go diving? Do they eat food (other than blood) if so then why? Their blood cannot transport the nutrients.

There is to much falsity in such a claim, too many absurd facts.

If you have some proof then please do tell as it could sway the argument but without decent proof your statements amount to little more than science fiction.

[Airlight]

An arm muscle...they do breathe so they get oxygen...(vampires I mean) and they do have a thing for red wine, so that is your sugar. Vampires are immortal, they breathe, as for water..they swim and I know vampires who happen to eat food but rare steaks and rare whatever they like. Also, not all vampires live in human blood, they do drink animal blood most commonly. I would ask my fiance to come and explain more but he...he can be a total asshole, plus he's satanic and he can't get online.
I am just explaining you what I know, not for you to take it as truth. I don't wish for you to change your opinion because someone else tells you to.

[shadowx]

I quote:

Where do I start?

I think first of all I’m going to recommend that everyone that thinks they require blood to survive needs to visit a certified psychiatrist as soon as possible, please.

I hate posting super long posts due to the fact that most people do not read the entire post and re-post out of ignorance, the condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed, and that just angers me. Please if you feel so inclined to comment, please read the document in entirety or at least quote the points you wish to discuss.

After reading all the ‘facts’ (I use this word EXTREMELY loosely) that are posted I almost want to laugh. I am still at a loss as to where to begin.

I think I am going to start with why would ‘real’ vampires or “sanguinarians” make a forum explaining who they are and what they do; and quite possibly giving their location via IP address [http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm]? Consider the fact that humans wouldn’t appreciate a creature like that to be in existence, because a creature like that would have to ‘feed’ off of them, similar to a virus. Argo, if vampires were real, they would be hunted abundantly; not just the ‘few’ ‘hunters’, we are talking random blood tests, police checkpoints, et cetera.

Another point, wow I have a large quantity of stuff to cover, ‘sanguinarian.’ Who decided on this name? I think, I don’t know everything but, sanguinarian comes from the Latin word ‘sangui’ meaning blood. So where is Sanguinar? A sanguinarian would come from this place, I guess. Please correct me if I am wrong (a possibility could be the scientific term ‘sanguivory’ meaning feeding on blood.) Also, using a word like immortal, or not subject to death, would be a misnomer due to the fact that there are ‘hunters’ and vampires do die.

So much to go, I guess I’ll go with science next. Creatures (vampire bats, mosquitoes (Note: mosquitoes do not even need blood to survive, they just need the protein for egg development,) et cetera) that actually need to drink blood to survive produce a glycoprotein. Glycoprotein is an anticoagulant that inhibits the coagulation factor in blood. These creatures also have a special digestive system tailored specifically for their liquid diet.

In addition, the recommended daily minimum caloric intake for a young adult male is asserted by the relevant government agencies to be in the neighborhood of 2800 nutritionist’s calories per day (kcals.) This is alleged to be sufficient for minimal maintenance, not heavy labor. Like most such figures, the adult in question is assumed to be the stereotypical 70 kilograms (~155lbs,) North American.

A mammal digesting protein obtains about 4.8 kcals from one gram (dry weight) of protein. The constituents of blood are almost entirely proteinaceous (relating to or of the nature of protein,) so it is convenient to use this value. To obtain 2800 kcals, then, necessitates the consumption of 583 grams of dry protein per day.


I have been unable to obtain a lumped value for the total dry matter present in a given volume of mammalian blood, but a convenient reference book (Altman and Dittmer; Biology Data Book) asserts that the concentration of hemoglobin in human blood is 150 dry grams per liter. Yes, liter. Because human blood cells do not accomplish much except hemoglobin packaging, it is not unreasonable to take the 150 g per liter figure as the total protein content.

The previous two paragraphs imply, then, that 583/150 =3.9 liters of blood are required to meet human-level metabolic requirements, for one day.

I have a considerable distaste, for the above calculation. A human adult has a total blood volume approximating 10% of his body weight. Average human is 70 kilograms, 10% of that is seven kilograms of blood, seven kilograms is seven liters. Mammals cannot survive the catastrophic loss of more than about 30-40 percent of their total blood volume, that being a maximum of 2.8 liters from the above 7 liter scenario. The loss of 20% of blood volume is almost invariably survivable, meaning that a loss of 1.4 liters would not be fatal, though the impact would be substantial and unpleasant.

This means that in order to survive on blood alone you must feed on three people a night. Or at least kill a human and consume almost 4 liters of their blood. (The annual number of unsolved murders in the United States of America (~16,201,) high as it is, is not high enough to support the obvious possibility.) Not to mention the accounts and police reports of “vampire attacks” would be an enumerable figure.

Note if vampires do exist and in fact post on this forum then please explain the lack of grammar and spelling. If you have indeed lived for many generations then I would suppose that a vampire’s ability to spell would be near perfect; and a vampire would be extremely wise and knowledgeable. Again also, from what I have read here, most ‘vampires’ suffer from OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder.) If you are unaware of this disorder (if you’re a vampire you should know all about it) I’ll explain a little.

Obsessions are thoughts and ideas that the sufferer cannot stop thinking about. Common OCD obsessions include fears of acquiring disease, getting hurt or causing harm to someone. Obsessions are typically automatic, frequent, distressing, and difficult to control or put an end to by themselves. A sufferer will almost always obsess over something which he or she is most afraid of. People with OCD who obsess over hurting themselves or others are actually less likely to do so than the average person.

Compulsions refer to actions that the person performs, usually repeatedly, in an attempt to make the obsession go away. For an OCD sufferer who obsesses about germs or contamination, for example, these compulsions often involve repeated cleansing or meticulous avoidance of trash and mess. Most of the time the actions become so regular that it is not a noticeable problem. Common compulsions include excessive washing and cleaning; checking; hoarding; repetitive actions such as touching, counting, arranging and ordering; and other ritualistic behaviors that the person feels will lessen the chances of provoking an obsession. Compulsions can be observable — washing, for instance — but they can also be mental rituals such as repeating words or phrases, or counting.

I would suppose that if someone has OCD and post on a forum their grammar and spelling would be perfect due to constant re-reading and re-ordering thoughts and ideas. Not to mention a vampire intelligence would not allow for errors.

Now if you in fact that you think you are a vampire I will tell you what you suffer from. First, sensitivity to light, having red eyes, and teeth is an obviously porphyria. Porphyria is a disorder that is only hereditary and cannot be passed to other via blood transfusions.

The hepatic (liver) porphyrias primarily affect the nervous system, resulting in abdominal pain, neuropathy, seizures, and mental disturbances, including hallucinations, depression, anxiety, and paranoia. Cardiac arrhythmias may develop as the autonomic nervous system is affected. Constipation is frequently present, as the nervous supply to the gut is affected.

The erythropoietic (The formation or production of red blood cells) porphyrias primarily affect the skin, causing photosensitivity, blisters, itching, and swelling.

In some forms of porphyria, accumulated heme precursors excreted in the urine may change its color to a fluorescent reddish or purple hue.

Attacks of the disease can be triggered by drugs (e.g. barbiturates, tranquilizers, oral contraceptives, sedatives, and certain antibiotics), other chemicals, certain foods, and exposure to the sun.

If you have a perceived need to consume blood you have what is commonly referred to Renfield's syndrome. This illness was diagnosed by a clinical psychologist named Richard Noll. I am sure frequent visitors of this forum are well aware of the origins of this illness, if you are new or unaware I will explain.

Renfield is a fictional character in the novel Dracula by Bram Stoker. He is an inmate at the lunatic asylum overseen by Dr. Seward, and suffers from a delusional belief system that leads him to eat living creatures in the hope of obtaining their life-force for himself; being confined to the asylum, and aware of the foolishness of taking on a full-sized hospital orderly, this mostly means flies, spiders, and the occasional bird. During the course of the novel, he falls under the influence of Count Dracula - who, as a vampire, does the gaining-life-by-eating-life thing for real - and aids the Count in a number of small ways, most significantly by helping the Count gain entrance into the asylum after Seward and his fellow vampire-hunters make it their base of operations. People tend to assume that Renfield was a more active and long-standing servant of the vampire Count and often depict his zoophagous (the eating of creatures, or more specifically drinking their blood) mania as a result of falling under Dracula's influence, rather than as a pre-existing condition that made him vulnerable to it.

Renfield syndrome has been discussed on this forum before and I would like to rebuttal a response I viewed on that thread. Member Stevian (vampire) said that he was a sanguinarian and offered his insight. He said, “See, if it was just the renfield's syndrome, then it would be a matter of mind, but if I don't drink (Okay, I don't drink OFTEN, but I do indeed need to drink blood from another) I would get tired easily, and just be kinda blah as the days went on.” Other ‘sanguinarian’ feel free to comment (remember to quote sections.) As read from the forum, vampires do not need to eat ‘normal human’ food and survive on blood alone (in fact, human food is said to upset the stomachs of vampires.) As stated above the amount of blood you have to drink would be 1788.5 liters a year, or kill 365 human beings a year, or have at least 180 ready donors a year (this figure assume that it takes the average healthy person 60 days to regain the lost blood from a 2 pint donation (1 liter = 2.12 US Pints. And almost 3 pints are needed per donor) 3 donors a night times 60+ (remember 3 pints are needed, so recovery would be longer) day recovery equals 180 donors donating in a rotating schedule 60 day schedule.)

Information... Where are you all gathering the majority of your information from? Is there a central dogma? So many times I read threads where arguments arise due to misinformation, confusion, or ignorance. Who was the real first vampire? What folklore should I hold as the history of the real vampires? In Homer's Odyssey, for example, the shades that Odysseus meets on his journey to the underworld are lured to the blood of freshly sacrificed rams, a fact which Odysseus uses to his advantage to summon the shade of Tiresias. What about Bram Stoker tale? Should I believe Moravia, Albania, Bulgaria, the Aztecs, Austrians, Malaysians, Philippines, Gypsies, or the Caribbean fiction works about vampires? They are all stories and myths of creatures that do not exist. Also, the fact that almost everyone here has a different outlook, idea, or story about vampires makes it all even harder to believe. Information about every other animal is uniform. Why is the vampire so different? This is because there is absolutely no such thing as a vampire?

Please, if you MUST imbibe blood makes sure you do it safely and always get a blood test done before every transfusion.

I’m sure there is more, but at this point I believe that I have produced enough evidence to refute all claims of vampirism. I will personally guarantee that everyone here who claims to be an ageless vampire is a complete liar and in 10 years you will have aged 10 years. Also, I am 100% certain that all of you eat real human food to survive. I humbly await your replies.

Further down the twilight fans.. er i mean vampires replied and disputed some of the things he said, some of the arguments made sense, however you will note that no-one claims to be able to transform into animals, be immortal (which a lack of blood would suggest) and neither is the lack of blood or a heartbeat mentioned.

I didnt read the whole thing due to their self important black on red theme which is truly awful.

[shadowx]

But as you know, a muscle needs oxygem and with no blood how does the oxygen get there? In a mammal and probably all over animals, the oxygen is dissolved in the blood either via gills, lungs or special skin and the blood carries it straight to the muscle via the red blood cells. With no blood how does a vampire manage that?

Same goes for sugar, how can the sugars and nutrients get from the stomach to the muscle with no blood system?

I assume your fiancée has a heartbeat and blood?

[Airlight]

He does because he is a psychic vampire...but he knows more about vampires in general than I do...

I know it doesn't make sense, never does make sense. I mean like how come people think witches are green with warts and can fly on broomsticks? It makes no sense whatsoever.

I never liked Twilight, I think the vampire craze got out of hand after that moron got her stupid fanfic made into a movie. Now we got True Blood, Vampire Diaries...the book stores are filled with vampire novels it makes me sick. I remember when it was just Anne Rice(she has a very sick book series out) with Lestat and Bram Stoker with Dracula. I cannot find a book I will read in a book store anymore as they pushed 95% of the good books to the back to make room for the Vampire crap.

I do know there are "Other kins" out there...vampires(less and less true ones), dragons, wolves, cats, fairies, angels, demons, etc....I use to be involved in a group with those who are other kins.

[reikihealer83]

Ok

I am going to chime in here. I find the whole craze a bit much. That being said, is it that hard for people to expand their thoughts about the idea of Vampires maybe eventually becoming a reality? I am not saying I think they exist now in the blood drinking sense but then again I have no idea. Something to think about is, as we change as a race, could there be room later on for this type of thing?

Just my two very humble cents on the matter

[shadowx]

Vampirism as in a disease in the future? Possibly, in fact "Daywalkers" is a very good vampire film and very different compared with the other trash that has saturated the film industry. Instead of vampires being the minority they are everyone. Government, police etc.. all openly vampiric because 95% of the world are vampires, the humans are hunted and placed in blood banks where they are sedated and drained. Its very dark and extremely good...I mention it because they use the age old "mutated virus" trick.

Anyway, think about, zombies... Mindless creatures intent on biting and scratching everyone, passing on their infection as they do. They loose their minds and become aggressive beasts. This is rabies.. Perhaps not the undead part but a loyal dog with rabies will bit you as its mind is under the control of rabies. It will become aggressive etc.. just like a zombie in the movies.

Anyhoo.. Airlight, i have no intention of arguing with *you* per say but simply the notion that any creature can live without a heartbeat or other circulatory system as vampires are apparently able to do. That along with immortality (but if you follow my link "real" vampires know this is not possible) and a *NEED* to drink blood. A desire, yes. A need, no. Eat red meat, chicken and veg, you dont need blood. Sorted.

Drinking blood to absorb energy.. perhaps. I dont know on that one. However it is not a need... those individuals are surely capable of keeping alive some energy in themselves. Otherwise when they pass over what will they feed on? They would need to learn to adapt to psychic vampirism which i would imagine is considerably harder in a place where spirits are much more aware of their spirit.

[Airlight]

Daywalkers...that could happen...I know a lot about Daywalkers...well, a version I created, they have everything a vampire does, but they can walk out in the sun and they eat human food...I also made it so all they had to do was drink the blood of the sire....because draining the blood was a little stupid

And zombies...makes me think of the Crazies..the new movie that came out.

I don't want to argue with you...I never said they had a need, I said they had a lust for it...

[shadowx]

I meant daybreakers... DOH!

But meh.

the problem i have is that you said vampires are dead and have no blood. How is it then that their body is animated? The soul itself cannot animate the body, for if it could then we would all be immortal (for the soul is immortal) but the body needs the brain to control it, and the brain needs the soul to command the brain, thus to be dead would imply that the brain is dead, thus the body cannot live hence the spirit has no reason to stay around. The body is empty.

The soul alone cannot animate the body nor keep it from rotting.